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« on: April 30, 2006, 09:52:03 PM »

hi  i prayed for girl long time ago,"mi navas suddha bolala"i will regularly visit mandir & will pray him every saturday  ..........i got that girl in my life ....... i thank god for her but i afraid i fail to fulfill some day he will get angree on me and will take her away from me i just dont want to loose her i aways wanted to thank god for her but i worried if due to some reason if i fail to keep my promise to god what next?HuhHuhHuh
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2006, 10:20:30 PM »

Hi Sameer,
God bless you and your ??.
Please stop worrying and start living (I mean Saying Universal Prayer).

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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2006, 04:58:16 PM »

Hello Sameer, thanks 4 expressing urself, probably JVM is the only place where U can get fully convincing and scientific answers to ur problems!
      Now, ur first mistake is that U consider GOD as a human being who is impulsive, affectionate as well as becomes angry at times.........and so on! Look, the very concept of GOD has gone wrong and so, whatever U do or U do not  4 "that" GOD resembles nothing but myth! Its all mental and if U become trully mentally free, then pnly U'll be able to find a true way from ur any problem!!
            Also, UNIVERSAL PRAYER is there 4 U, so avail of it !! Why waste time, lets say it...........
 Viththal Viththal !! Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2006, 01:34:56 AM »

Namaskar!!

Dear Sameer

      Are U stay at India? Do Listen our SADGURU. What is Vaibhav told to you is totally right. Just clear concept of god because god never curse any body. He never interfer in any one's life. What is happening in our life is total our responsibility. So at preset U just kept in mind one thing DO UNIVERSAL PRAY (Vishva Prarthana) every day when you are free and at night before going to sleep. Don't the navas again because it will not bring any positive in your life except unsuccess. That girl you are talking about is she has any problem I don't understand the matter you are taking about..... if you want to share with us or personally you can you will get my email Id in my profile.

     Just Clear U r concept of god and chant Prayer continuous.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2006, 06:44:43 PM »

"Chal kelasi mokala, bol Viththal velo velo,
 Tuj paapachi naahi aise, NAAM gheta javali vase!"
                            - Sant Tukaram

 Nirupan:- As soon as U start chanting NAAM or VISHWAPRARTHANA , ur previous paap is suppressed and U can start a new beautiful life without having any influence of the previous deeds!!
     So, have faith on Tukaram and Satguru to have a fresh, bright and happier life!
Wish U All de Best 4 the same!!  Viththal Viththal !! Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2006, 07:56:21 PM »

Dear Sameer,
"Mrut manasala jalate ti chita and Jeevant manasala jalate ti chinta" says Sadguru. Means "Pyre burns a corpse whereas worry burns you alive".
"Worrying is praying for something you don't want". If it becomes a habit it can bring any type of disaster in life. The way you toss away a cockroach from your body, you should get rid of negative thoughts from your mind.
when you start worrying about something, after sometime you close your eyes. That time you have aready enterd a danger area. Only way to come out of it is immediately open your eyes, when you realise this.

But the simplest thing to avoid this is to put a habbit of saying universal prayer http://www.jeevanvidya.org/prayer.htm , when you are mentally free and at least for half an hour before going to sleep.
It takes a lot to attain something. But it take much more to retain the achieved things. If you had travelled to Pune from Mumbai via Khandala (Not expressway), then just remember that 45? slope.  If one is not alert, within a few seconds he may slip in to the deep valley. 
It is not easy to put this habbit of uninterrupted universal prayer. But once saying universal prayer becomes habbit, then cockroaches of worries won't bother you anymore.

"So start praying, slowly you will stop worrying. " Hope you noticed the correction in previous statement.

God bless you all,
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2006, 12:16:54 PM »

hi? i prayed for girl long time ago,"mi navas suddha bolala"i will regularly visit mandir & will pray him every saturday? ..........i got that girl in my life
It is your experience that you have prayed sincerely for the girl and you got what you want. Then why you will not get peace by continuing praying?
....... i thank god for her
You are expressing gratitude it shows that your mind is clear.? Now If you will look at the remaining part of your post,
but i afraid i fail to fulfill some day he will get angree on me and will take her away from me i just dont want to loose her i aways wanted to thank god for her but i worried if due to some reason if i fail to keep my promise to god what next?HuhHuhHuh
You will find that it is contradictory to the first part of your quote where you have expressed your faith in praying and your actual experience also confirms it. In other words you are accepting that by continuous praying you have got what you want but at the same time you are afraid that you will not get whatever you want now by continuous praying. The last point is that
if i fail to keep my promise to god
We don't know what promise you have given to god. I could not realise the meaning of it. Have you given such a hard promise or "Navas" which you feel cannot be kept? I feel that your anxious is lying in this. Perhaps you are not in the position to disclose about "your promise to god"
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2006, 06:04:30 PM »

Nice one, ShamBhagwat ! Wink
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2006, 12:50:36 AM »

 Dear Mr. Sham

? ? ? ? ?You ans. is really good. I know Sameer will think about it. But I know one thing from this you are studying Jeevan Vidya very well and I should study it more hard like you.

? ? ? ? ? If I made any mistake plz forgive me.

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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2006, 09:50:22 AM »

But I know one thing from this you are studying Jeevan Vidya very well and I should study it more hard like you.
I presume that this is the main objective of this forum. I am very much pleased with your answer. We (all members of this forum) have to improve ourselves as a whole with the help of each others.
if I made any mistake plz forgive me
What mistake ? You have not committed any mistake. Expressing our thoughts sincerely honestly and without any self interest is not a mistake. But this is the way of self studding. This forum has given such opportunity to express ourselves. Thanks to Nikhil Pai. He has obliged us by providing the facility of this forum.

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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2006, 02:49:49 PM »

but i worried if due to some reason if i fail to keep my promise to god what next?HuhHuhHuh
Dear ssameer,
नमस्कार,

I was expecting some responce from you. At the same time, I had nothing except praying for you. Have you red " विद्यार्थ्यांना मार्गदर्शन जीवनविद्येचे " ?

I feel you may get the answer to some extent, If you read the answer to question number 15 therein.

If you don't have this book. You can get it downloaded from the download section-> E-books from the home page of the main site.

With best wishes for all the time,
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2006, 04:32:05 PM »

Dear Mr. Sham
? ? ? ? ?But I know one thing from this you are studying Jeevan Vidya very well and I should study it more hard like you.

Dear Sachin Dhopat,
नमस्कार,

I have already replied your post. It served the purpose of acknowledgement only. But I noted your name in my notebook to send you detail reply latter.

Now I have no alternative to take the help of my mother tounge.
जीवनविद्येचा अभ्यास करत राहून धेय्याप्रत पोहोचणे हा खूप लांबचा पल्ला असावा. (किती जन्म माहित नाही) पण त्याला पर्यायही नाही. एकट्याने प्रवास करण्याऎवजी तुझ्यासारखा सोबती मिळाला तर बरे म्हणून हे सर्व लिहितोय.

मी अभ्यास कसा करतोय व तसाच का करतोय इतकेच मला सांगावयाचे आहे. तेच बरोबर आहे असे मला म्हणावयाचे नाही.

मी सद्या Notes काढतोय. पण मार्क मीळवण्याची पद्धत मला वापरायची नाहिय्ये.

मला जे महत्वाचे वाटतेय, तेवढेच मी लिहून काढतोय. नंतर तेच वाचत राहाणार आहे.? तसेच धेय्य गाठण्यासाठी प्रत्येकालाच बहीर्मनातील युक्त्या वापरावयास लागणार आहेत.? त्या प्रत्येकासाठी वेगवेगळ्या असणार आहेत. त्या ज्याचे त्यानेच शॊधून काढावयाच्या आहेत. आपण ज्या युक्त्या वापरणार आहोत त्या युक्त्यांबाबत शंका असेल तर सदगुरूंचे मार्गदर्शन घ्यावयाचे आहे.

आता हे सर्व मला कसे सुचते आहे ते सांगतो.
तूच आहेस तुझ्या जीवनाचा शिल्पकार या पुस्तकांत पान क्र. ६२ वर दिलेल्या साखळीचा पहिला भाग सदगुरुंनी असा दिला आहे.

परिस्थिती -->? संगत? -->? संस्कार? -->? वासना? -- विचार

यातील पहिले चार घटक प्रत्येकाचे वेगवेगळे असल्याने पाचव्या घटकाचे स्वरूपही प्रत्येकाचे वेगवेगळे असणार.? त्यामुळे Notes काढताना प्रत्येकाला महत्वाचे वाटणारे मुद्दे वेगवेगळे असणार.? आपण कशावर जास्त जोर द्यावयाचा याबाबतच्या प्रत्येकाच्या priorities / order of prefrences वेगवेगळ्या असणार आहेत.

माझे वडिल मला सांगत असत की "Writting makes a man perfect" म्हणून मी माझे सर्व मुद्दे लिहून काढणार आहे.

तसेच जर तू हुषार असशील (नव्हे तू आहेसच) तर हुषार माणसाला नेहमी नविन काहितरी वाचायला आवडते.? तेच तेच वाचायचा कंटाळा येतो.? जर मला तेच तेच वाचायचा कंटाळा आला तर त्यासाठी मी एक युक्ती वापरणार आहे.

"मी विद्यार्थ्यांना मार्गदर्शन जीवनविद्येचे" या पुस्तकातील प्रश्न क्र. ३ चे ऊत्तरात अगदी शेवटी दिलेले वाक्य "There is no vision without revision" हे वाक्य कंटाळा जाई पर्यंत म्हणणार आहे.? आज ना उद्या हे वाक्य माझ्या अंतर्मनांत खोल शिरुन माझ्यात बदल केल्याशिवाय राहणार नाही याची मला खात्री आहे.

मला असे सारखे वाटतेय की आपल्या अंतर्मनात खोलवर रुतुन बसलेले राग व क्रोध विशेषकरुन द्वेष व मत्सर समुळ निपटून काढून सर्वाभूती प्रेमभाव निर्माण होण्याची युक्ती म्हणजे आपण रोज म्हणतो ती प्रार्थना होय. हीच बहीर्मनातील युक्ती असेल काय ?

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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2006, 12:14:15 PM »



आता हे सर्व मला कसे सुचते आहे ते सांगतो.
तूच आहेस तुझ्या जीवनाचा शिल्पकार या पुस्तकांत पान क्र. ६२ वर दिलेल्या साखळीचा पहिला भाग सदगुरुंनी असा दिला आहे.

परिस्थिती -->? संगत? -->? संस्कार? -->? वासना? -- विचार

यातील पहिले चार घटक प्रत्येकाचे वेगवेगळे असल्याने पाचव्या घटकाचे स्वरूपही प्रत्येकाचे वेगवेगळे असणार.? त्यामुळे Notes काढताना प्रत्येकाला महत्वाचे वाटणारे मुद्दे वेगवेगळे असणार.? आपण कशावर जास्त जोर द्यावयाचा याबाबतच्या प्रत्येकाच्या priorities / order of prefrences वेगवेगळ्या असणार आहेत.

शाम,

जर पुस्तकात अजून बारकाईने वाचले तर वरील साखळीत विचारांना केंद्रस्थानी ठेवले असून असेही म्हटले आहे की, "मागील चार गोष्टींना सबळ/शबल करण्याचे विचारांमध्ये सामर्थ्य असून पुढील चार घटकांवर जबरदस्त परिणाम करण्याचे सामर्थ्य विचारांत आहे".

थोडक्यात पाचव्या घटकाचे स्वरूप प्रत्येकासाठी वेगवेगळे असणार असे गृहित धरण्याऐवजी, दूसऱ्या दृष्टीने बघितल्यास "विचार" हाच घटक आपल्या सर्वाधिक नियंत्रणाखाली असतो हे जाणून विश्वप्रार्थनेच्या सहाय्याने विचारांचा उपयोग करून परिस्थितीत पालट करणे शक्य आहे तसेच नशिबातही बदल करणे शक्य आहे.

अमित.
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2006, 05:56:17 PM »


अमित यांस,
नमस्कार,

तू जे म्हणतोयस त्याबाबत मला यत्किंचीतही शंका नाही.? अगदी बरोबरच बोलतो आहेस.? पण माझा मुद्दा वेगळाच होता.

प्रत्येकाने आपापल्या Notes? काढायला पाहिजेत कारण त्या प्रत्येकाच्या वेगवेगळ्या असणार आहेत. त्या वेगवेगळ्या का असणार आहेत हे स्पष्ट करण्यासाठी मी साखळीचा तसेच ५ व्या घटकाचा उल्लेख केला आहे.

शाळा कॉलेज मध्ये आपण एकमेकांच्या Notes वापरायचो. सर्वांना कॉमन असणा-या म्हणजेच Guides चा उपयोग करायचो.? आता तसे करुन चालणार नाही,? इतकेच मला सुचवायचे होते.? ?(मार्क मिळवण्याची पद्धत आता आपल्याकडून सदगुरुंना अभिप्रेत नसावी.)

सचिनने त्याच्या उत्तरात म्हटले होते की, "I should study it more hard like you"? त्याच्या उत्तरातील "like you" या जास्तीच्या शब्दांमुळे मला माझी अभ्यासाची पद्धत सांगायला लागली.

मी या अगोदर online blog / chatting मध्ये कधी भाग घेतलेला नाही. चर्चा, वादविवाद स्पर्धा, वक्तॢत्व यामध्येही नाही. (physically ही ते शक्य नाही.)

असे असून सुद्धा मी या forum मध्ये भाग घेतोय कारण की,
विद्यार्थ्यांना मार्गदर्शन जीवनविद्येचे या पुस्तकात अभ्यास कसा करावा (प्रश्न क्र. ३) या प्रश्नाला उत्तर देताना सदगुरुंनी ज्या ५ व्या पद्धतीचा उल्लेख केला आहे त्या पद्धतीचे आधुनिक रुप म्हणजे हा फ़ोरम आहे असे मी समजतोय.? आणि म्हणूनच सर्व members हे या ५ व्या पद्धती प्रमाणे अभ्यास करणारे एकमेकांचे सोबती आहेत असे मी समजतोय.

या ५ व्या पद्दतीचा मला खूप म्हणजे खूपच फ़ायदा होतोय तसा तुम्हालाही होवो.

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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2006, 07:45:58 AM »

when you start worrying about something, after sometime you close your eyes. That time you have aready enterd a danger area. Only way to come out of it is immediately open your eyes, when you realise this.
Dear Deepak,
Namaskar,

Will you please explain a bit more.? Thanks.

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