New member, not a follower yet

[mk]

Namonamah

I am a new member.

I registered on this forum after I listened to the marathi programme on AIR Asmita channel.

I do not know anything about the philosophy or doctrines of Jeevanvidya or any other mission, and am not likely to be a real "naamdhaarak" in the near future. But I intend making an honest effort to learn and understand.

I intend to record and share weekly the results of my efforts, the questions and doubts that surfaced and how I reconciled my real-life experience with my learning.

Of course, only if such postings are consistent with the objectives and policy of the forum.
With best regards

Milind Khadilkar

[dr.nutanpol]

Dear Milind Khadilkar,
Namaskaar.

You are welcome to this forum jeevanvidya. You can take your own time to decide when you want to be naamdharak/ disciple of Shri. Satguru. It is very nice to know that you are interested in knowing philosophy of jeevanvidya. You can listen to Shri. Satguru's pravachan on Sahyadri channel on every Sunday at 8.00 A. M. You can read the books written by him. Books are published in Marathi as well as in English and are available in all upasana kendras of jvm. We would welcome it, if you wish to discuss jvm philosophy with us or if any other thing in context with jeevanvidya. You can always share your experiences with us.

dr.nutan pol

[mk]

Thank you, Dr. Nutanjee

It is not easy to follow.... Ego comes in the way.

I believe that "following" cannot be possible without Andhashrad-dha. I am willing to be totally andha-shrad-dh, (it comes naturally to me), but then I must close my mind totally. JeevanVidya does not approve that either... So I can follow JeevanVidya only by not following JeevanVidya.  Where is the boundary line? . Probably continuous Saadhanaa is the only way out of this conundrum.

Namonamah
Milind Khadilkar

[subhash]

Welcome to the forum MK.

Please read few of Satguru's books as well. You will find these interesting and useful. Would be also good to follow the eAbhyasVarga. I have replied to your another post.

Best regards,
Subhash

[mk]

Thank you, Subhashjee.

I am still too full of conceit to submit myself with full shrad-dhaa. But yes, sir, I will keep your advice in mind.

Regards
Milind Khadilkar

[subhash]

MK,

JV does not recommend ONLY shraddha route. Shraddha should have adhisthan of BUDDHI. Satguru says PATALE TARACH GHYA, NAHI PATALA TAR VICHARA.

God bless you.
Subhash

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
MK,

Learning and understanding JVM is only important.
Other things such as becoming a namadharak & or taking anugrah ,is not that important.(But
the fact is that when you will try to learn & understand JVM, then you yourself will find it so interesting that you yourself will become a namdharaak very happily and also that time you will
become a fan of Sadguru & take the Anugrah).
By the way all the followers of JVM , are rather Fans of Great Great Shri Sadguru ,because they
have experienced the happiness in their lives.
Any one can attend the programmes organised by JVM , whether a  namdharak or not a namdharak.
But one can experience the happiness when he/she gets the company of these namdharakas.
I would like to suggest you that be in contact of JVM's Branch whichever is nearby from your house and attend the programmes such as discourses of Sadguru's Satshishyas,Granthadindi,Samparkaferi,
various compititions organised time to time ,just be in their company & you will get a very good experience JVM.

Thanking you,
God Bless All

Meena.

[dr.nutanpol]

 Namaskaar,

I fully agree with Meenatai that gaining knowledge is more important than becoming naamdharak. One can be naamdharak for namesake. What is the use of being such naamdharak? We become naamdharak to gain knowledge from Satguru. And secondly when we understand the philosophy and if we want to implement it in our lives sincerely then we realise how difficult it is to overcome our own faults and to wipe out sanskaars of the society and remain on path  with strong determination in spite of many obstacles which we may have to face in our daily lives. Satguru gives you support from inside and guides in a way that nobody in this world can guide you. He understands you totally. Unless you realize the importance of Satguru you should not become disciple of Satguru.
    If one does not have faith in Satguru Shri Wamanrao Pai to start with it is ok but at least you should realize the importance of spiritual guide in spiritual journey and need to follow his advice. If this basic requirement is not fulfilled then it is obvious the time is yet not ripe for the person to be disciple. After becoming disciple gradually you realize what Satguru does for you and start respecting him. Swami Yogananda paramhans had said about his Satguru that my Satguru loved me so much that I found no alternative but to love him back. When woman gets married she is not aware about, how much maternal love she has in heart and is not very sure about her love for unseen baby but when she delivers baby, she showers boundless love on her baby. Same happens to this relationship between disciple and his Satguru.   

May VP and Shri Satguru-smaran accompany everybody!

[SanyuktaDeshpande]

Nutan taai
Namaskar

Very nice example given by you of the mother.
Its really very necessary to have a spiritual guide for everybody in his life.Our Satguru is the same.


God bless you & all.
Regards
Sanyukta

[mk]

Namonamah.

Thanks, Dr.Nutanjee, Meenajee, and of course Subhashjee and Deepakjee,

Thanks for your goodwill.

I have no doubt about the value of having a Sadguru on any path and especially the path of spiritual attainment (which, it is heartening to note, is the same as for material attainment according to JV). However, treading the path without a Sadguru could be an adventure, or what is more important, a journey of discovery. No, I am not planning such an endeavour - I do not have the necessary guts, nor the necessary fore within.

I have great respect for Shri Wamanrao Pai, though I have never met him. (I have seen him briefly at Dadar 16+ years ago where he was giving a sermon). I am sure that he is a source not just of knowledge and wisdom but of many other bounties that could enrich my life. Whether or not I become a naamdhaarak, JV has definitely caused a lot of benign thought pollution in my mind.

Much against my wishes, the JV Forum  has taught me something.

For the moment, this forum is my sadguru.

Thanks again, and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[subhash]

MK,

One sentence in your post need some clarification though -
>> path of spiritual attainment (which, it is heartening to note, is the same as for material attainment according to JV)

No. This is wrong interpretation. What you want to achieve in material life is prosperity and what you want to achieve in spiritual life is ATMASUKH. Of course there is a peace of mind in between. And means are not the same according to JV. However the point JV makes is you do not need to abandon one for the other. e.g. you need not leave the worldly life for attaining spiritual goal. That is the point. SHARIRSUKHASATHI PAISA, PEACE OF MIND SATHI PUNYA AND ATMASUKHASATHI PAI-MARGADARSHAN.

SANT SHRI DNYANESHWAR MAHARAJ SAYS: Asoni Sansari Jivhe Veega Kari. Thus Satguru gives a way of life that does ALL(three things mentioned above)-IN-ONE.

Natural urge of the people on this forum that you progress in accelerated manner rather than slowly. You are in my prayers. And surely in that of many of the members on this forum. Hope you have an accelerated journey to a much better life every day.

But ultimately, You are the architect of your destiny.

God bless you, God bless all,
Subhash

[pramila]

I think taking anugraha, being follower, get register... this all are confusing words. Every humanbeing living life with generous attitude is the follower of Jeevanvidya. New member comes to JV and accept it without any resoning or debating only WHEN HE NEED IT FOR HIS SURVIVAL. In other word, you will become the follower when you fall in Sankata. If man does not have any suffering , he will not like to take the name of GOD also. Thank you

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
Pramila,
Welcome to forum!
I agree with what you have said.Nobody is interested to meet "God",everyone wants "Sukh" i.e. happiness.Even if sombody says I want GOD, he wants God for getting the happiness(Sukh) only.

Thanks
Meena
May God bless all

[mk]

Namonamah,
Pramilajee, Welcome.

Meenajee, Pramilajee,

That people are interested in happiness, not God, is a common feeling. I am beginning to feel that this thought itself is negative and hence anti- JV. Should we start with the opposite assumption and see where it takes us?

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskar to all,

Pramila you are welcome to the forum. Keep participating.

Many people are struggling for their basic needs and they have to work hard to gain them. We can not expect such people to think about God. Carl Marx said if God has to come in front of poor hungry person then he has to come in the form of bread.

 What Carl Marx said is very true. Though this is also another fact that one who is true devotee of the God will never have to remain hungry. (Satguru says that, "Potachi chinta tyala paramarth nahi jyala-The one who is doing paramarth does have to worry about food." ) JV does not advocate doing sadhana by not doing work assigned to him and think that God will take care of him.

There are many other categories of people who want God. Some curious people wish to know who is the super power of controlling the world? There are others who want God to fulfill their wishes, desires. There are others who feel very unsecured about their relatives, wealth, health and feel that some untoward thing may happen in their life. There are some people who want to love God as their mother, father, friend, beloved person etc. There are many who think about God only in troublesome conditions like Pramila said.

 There are some people who are having happy family life, material life but feel that some thing is missing in their life. They  feel that they are not fully contented. (atruptichi bhavana)

Whatever may be the reason no person will do sadhana to realise God unless he has sufficient Punya. People continue their sadhana where they have left it in their previous births. So rather than thinking about the reason let us see how we can realize the presence of God present in all of us and in the world.