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[MEENA PATKAR]

Namaskar to all.

Surely this is a nice point to discuss.
Nutantai has explained it very nicely.Only one thing I would like to correct,is

The saying goes as "Potachi chinta jyala paramarth nahi tyala",and the meaning is one who has lot of problems in fulfilling the need for his daily bread & butter,can not able to turn twds study of God realisation.Spirituality remains far from him, when he has to struggle for hiis livinghood.
Further I'd like to clearify it to mk,this is not a thought ,but a reality.This is what happens in the practical life.Everyone wants to get rid of their day to day living problems and think that God will solve all the problems.Keeping in mind this intention they make efforts to achieve GOD.

Jeevanvidya says "GOD never interferes in our life".He has given all the liberty to  a human being to live life in his own way.A person is responsible himself for whatevr good or bad comes to his life (on the basis of law of action & reaction).

We should remember God , for expressing the gratitude twds him ,for granting us a precious life to live.
But in practice ,something  happens opposite.People want to remember God , because they think , once they meet God ,all their routine problems will get over, and they will become happy in their life.

Thanks & regards,

Meena
May God bless all.

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskar,

There is difference between philosophy of JV than belief in traditional Hindu philosophy which says that Prapanch-daily chores of man's life should be  left to God or to the fate and  paramarth-spiritual progress should be done by meticulous efforts. (Prapanch prabdhavar kimva devavar sodava ani paramarth prayatnpurvak karava.) JV says both should be done balancing them and with great efforts, skill and every one should learn the art of beautiful living.

   Secondly as Meena rightly quoted JV philosophy is,  "God does not interfere in your life". God has nothing to do with problems in your life. All the problems are man's own creations. It is the reaction of nature to man's erroneous attitude-thoughts and wrong behaviour which is not in harmony with the laws of nature. The actions done by the man at the level of body and mind (speaking , doing, thinking, wishing etc.)are not in harmony with the laws of nature and hence man has to suffer in his life.

  Therefore we do not do upasana to please God so that he will bless us and give us what we need. (Beacause what we receive does not depend an how many fasts we have done or pilgrimages we have done or how many times we have chanted His name but all our actions.) We must do upasana by doing all positive karmas and express gratitude towards God who has given us wonderful life, body, family, friends and this beautiful world. We do upasana by respecting all creations of God where He himself has manifested in sagun forms. We must engage our mind either in nam jap or chanting of VP to avoid negative thinking and fill our mind with positive thoughts in rembrance of God/Satguru with gratitude. This will purify our mind and sharpen our intellect. ( man shudhdh houn buddhi sukshm hoil)
 
  There after Shri Satguru teaches us Divy sadhana by which indiviual consciousness can be changed to Divine consciouness and Jiv is converted to Shiv.
     

[pramila]

Viththal, Viththal

Few 'thoughts' can not be debated.
You can go in deep search for understanding them. But true researcher won't say the word WRONG/FALSE.
For eg. following thoughts:
1. What is the purpose and size of this world? Lot of arguments. Some old falses found correct and some old truths are rejected.
2. Can we know our future 100%? Sometime who plan a lot get defeated and who has no plan become successful.
3. Very talent person may not always successful
Very hard working person also
Something is there can not debated about success.
4.Share market prices can not be predicted for their bottoms and tops. A good trader play in between 20 and 80% only
5.Economy have the direction only but you can not get the end points exactly.
6.You can't compare the art. Also you can't measure the depth. Try this with different artists doing same songs, musics, painting, acting... etc.
       
There are so many examples you can give for NONDEBATABLE subjects.
You can say that this subjects you can argu/debate,
But we are wasting our energy/lifeforce
Instead of that you try to understand/learn that subject so that you will get some fruitfull profit.
Our Sadguru said "pickup right bus for right destination". I add (using sadgurukrupa) and say if you don't select right bus after lot of thinking and guidance, you try with any bus (apply your talent and beliefs),it will atleast give you the direction of far or nearness of your destination and after catching few wrong buses you can able to select right bus.

So to become follower or not it is your question. You are the best shilpkar of your life.
Don't waste time on this debate. There are lot of other good works available for us to do. Do few of them.

If all of you are happy in debating this subject, ENJOY THE DEBATE. I may be the wrong.
GOD must give all of you the power of doing some usefull work.
As our Sadguru said if I pray for you, I must get it first.
Sorry I will not participate further.
I shall search for some helpful topics.
Thank you.