First experience

[mk]

Hello,

I am a new member of this forum.
. I am not a naamdhaarak, I do not have a satguru (so unfortunate!!) and I believe in jaadutona and miracles and andhashrad-dha is a strong influence in my life.. By training, I have no "faith".

I have just casually heard Vishwapraarthanaa on Radio. Yet I have caught myself chanting it often, without trying to. And I am not comfortable with the fact that I am chanting it without intending to, and without yet understanding its meaning.

Am I being influenced without my active involvement?

Namonamah

Milind Khadilkar

[dr.nutanpol]

Dear Milind,

Namaskaar.

I appreciate your approach towards learning process. I remember the days when I joined jvm. I was extremely curious and used to reason out with Satguru and myself while listening to Satguru and then he used to tell me that do not think anything while listening to me and when you go back home  analyze, think and try to understand.

As I had many queries, he asked me to listen to his pravachans and read books written by him again and again. I remember that I read "Tuch aahes tuzya jeevanacha shilpkar" more than 40 times and "Amrutmanthan" more than 30 times. Shilpkar was the first book read by me and hence it took little more time to know his philosophy. I was greatly impressed by this book and became sure that that this philosophy would answer all my questions.
 
 The Spiritual science is little difficult subject to understand because here we can not show or demonstrate whatever we understand or grasp about the subject. But as a student of any modern science we accept the philosophy readily whatever is logical because that appeals to our mind.
 Jeevanvidya is very logical and is based on the laws of nature as well as philosophy propounded by ancient saints and his experiences in his life, his study of metaphysics, psychology and other sciences. He is blessed by his Satguru in his sadhana. Jeevanvidya is developed from all this and all these things are amalgamated into it. 
 Secondly spirituality is very much connected with the experience and knowledge. Knowledge we get from the books (pratyaksh dnyan) and also we realize when we start doing sadhana we are asked to do. (apratyaksh dnyan.) The meaning which otherwise we do not understand starts revealing in our mind gradually. This process can not be explained or described as it is something to experience.

I wish you would read books written by Satguru, then it will be little easier for you to understand jv philosophy.

Dr.nutan
 

[mk]

Dear Dr. Nutanjee,

Thank you. I feel the end result of my effort would be that I would understand JV, but would not be a disciple because I would not be able to shed my ego. However, I may just gain the strength necessary to shed my ego! Let's wait and watch.

Thanks and Regards
Milind Khadilkar

[dr.nutanpol]

Dear Milind,

Namaskar,

I did not understand the verbal meaning of I -ego, what are it's types and meaning till I came in Shri. Satguru's contact. We study Paramarth-spiritual science to know the meaning of ego. To experience the meaning of "I"-ego total surrender to Satguru is required which may take lot of time.
             It is possible for us to understand the verbal meaning of ego without being a disciple and mere by reading the books but to understand it's full extent and to experience the meaning of ego we do not have any alternative but to become disciple of real Satguru.(To know who can be called as real Satguru and how he is different from other gurus, please read the book-Sadguru samaj-gairsamaj)  If we want to study any modern science we require a teacher; then how is it possible for us to learn adhyatm vidya-spiritual science without having Satguru? Lot of patience, curiosity, intelligence and persistent efforts to sadhana given by Satguru, all these things are required to gain knowledge about self-ego. Initially we may be reluctant to obey Satguru but as days pass, we fall in love with him and his philosophy. This is the experience of all disciples and then listening to his advice and teachings is very easy for us. We are guided by him in our life. The advice comes from within as well as from outside. It comes from his pravachans as well as his disciple's pravachans. Some times we just open the book and we get the answer to our query and this is the experience of many disciples. We are constantly guided in our life when we are initiated into spirituality.

You will know part of Jeevanvidya by reading books but to know it fully you will have to be disciple. Now to be disciple or not become one is up to you.

If you can do basic course of Jeevanvidya, it will be immensely useful to you. You can enquire about it at jvm head office or local branches of jv.

Dr. Nutan   

[Vinay Rane]

Hi Milind,
            I agree to what Dr. Nutan says to, PLEASE even i recommend the course for you, i am sure you will get all your answers there(ref. i myself attended the course recently).
            And talking about 'EGO'-its a form of expression of what we 'all' have (everybody has it), only it is not in our control.
            And i am here to congratulate you that YOU ARE CHANTING THE 'Vishwa Prarathana'...........hech ka asave thodke.............................You are 'punyavan' in terms of we Namdharaks......................
           Sir do you know that you are allready following of what beloved Sadguru says, a thing which every disciple will envy..........Now that you have started chanting the prayer, thn to know the REAL MOTIVE of this prayer,you have to be for the Basic Course..........
           What you get from the course......................the answer is 'EVERYTHING'
          Sir please i request you to be for the Course as soon as possible.


If there would not have been 'DRONACHARYA' there would not have been 'EKLAVYA' nor 'ARJUNA'
           

[mk]

Namonamah,
Dear Vinayjee,
Thank you for your mail. I hope I will try to get myself to think of applying my mind to identify a timeframe to take a decision on joining the course at some point.

For the present, this forum is my sadguru.

Regards
Milind Khadilkar

[subhash]

MK,

the course is now available to be completed in two days. Unlike earlier you do not need to attend it every Sunday for seven Sundays. Now you can reach Borivali on Friday evening. Bus will take you to Ghateghar. Your course starts Sat and goes on till Sunday evening. After Sunday dinner, you are again dropped off at Borivali.

Hope this helps.

God bless all,
Subhash

[mk]

Namonamah,
Thank you Subhashjee,

I did find out about it by calling up the Borivali office. But since I have started chanting VP, I suppose learning etc would not be necessary. On the contrary, I felt additional learning will give me more doubts than I can handle. There is the story of an old man with a long beard who used to enjoy his daily ten-hour sleep in peace till one day a kid asked him "Grandpa, when you sleep do you tuck your beard under the sheets or keep it above the sheets?" Poor old man lost his sleep trying to figure what he used to do.

Regards
Milind Khadilkar

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
MK,

It is very nice that you have started chanting VP. But that does not mean learning is not necessary.Learning is the most important part of JVM,rather JVM 's basic purpose is to propound knowledge to the people.You must get all your doubts cleared.You must understand the logic  & science behind chanting VP.

Learning is a process, and it includes experimenting what has been said and have the
experience of it, Learning does not mean just twisting of words & counterexplaining  the replies.

Learning is a process where we should progress in gaining knowledge by ourselves by asking the topic related questions .


sorry for being a little harsh.
But I really wish you get all your doubts cleared about  JV philosophy.

God bless all
Meena