Satya, Asatya ki ajoon kaahi?

[mk]

Namonamah!

Jeevanvidyelaa satya aani asatya (kinva barobar aani chook, kinva chhangle aani vaaeet, kinva On aani Off) yaanchyaa-khereej ek tisree shakyataa maanya aahe kaa? Or must everything be either black or white only?


Thanks and Regards
Milind Khadilkar

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskaar,

Technically saty asne kimva nasne yala jv jast mahatv det nasun jyamule konache man dukhavale jaanar nahi ani jyamule jastit jast lokana sukh milel ani jyamule jastit jast lokanchi atmonnati hoil  tech khare saty hoy ase pratipadan karte.




dr.nutan

[mk]

Namonamah,

Ha vichaar aavadlaa. Pan

1. ithe ekhaadee gosht satya aahe kinva naahee yaabaddal mat-bhedaannaa vaav aahe.
2. yaachaa artha asaa hi ho-oo shak-to ki Satya mhanajech Shiv mhanajech sundar, tyaa teen veglyaa sankalpanaa naaheet.
3. ashaa gruheetakaan-mule JV "scientific" aahe ase mhanane sope jaate, kaaran ithe "scientific truth", "objective truth" yaa sankalpanaa-ch avherlyaa gelyaa aahet.

Note:
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Scientific truth also does not insist on a choice between two opposites. Delhi is to the north of Mumbai, Delhi is to the North-East of Mumbai, Delhi is East-of-North of Mumbai, Delhi is 10°19'′N, 4°88′E of Mumbai are all varying degrees of truth. .Fuzzy logic is a valid scientific discipline that allows verious degrees of truth.
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End of Note

Yaa maryaadit arthaane, swatahchyaa samaadhaanaasaathee jar naam-dhaarak JV la "scientific" mhanat asteel tar te theek aahe.

Sthool-pane yaachaa mee asaa artha gheto ki JeevanVidyaa kharee aahe kinvaa naahee yaachee chikitsaa duyyam aahe. Sarvaan-che kalyaan he mukya aahe. He-dekheel malaa aavadle.

Pan yaa forumvar anek thikaanee, aani anya lekhaantoon, vyaakhyaanaantoon,  JV "scientific" aahe ase "insist" kaa kele jaate?

Dhanyavaad

Milind Khadilkar

[dr.nutanpol]

Dear Milindji,

Namaskaar,

Jeevanvidyet dolas shraddha (saarasaar vichar karun thevaleli shraddha ) ani aatmshraddha (bahirmanane antarmanaavar-chaitanya shaktichya saamarthyavar thevaleli shraddha) yaala sthan aahe pan andh shraddhaela vav nahi. JV hi tarkshuddh aahe.Jeevanchya anubhavachya kasotivar ti padtalata yete. Tyamule hi ti scientific aahe ase sangitale jate.

Mala thauk aahe tumhi varil vakyanche anek arth lavu shakaal. Pan ya vishayi tumhala ek vinanti aahe ki tumhi krupaya Shri. Satgurunche granth vacha ani basic course kara. Mag tumchyashi jv var khup chan discussion karta yeil. JV cha basic course karnyasathi tumhi shishy asaayalaa have kimva shishy honyachi condition nahi. 

dr. nutan

[shambhagwat]

Jeevanvidyelaa satya aani asatya (kinva barobar aani chook, kinva chhangle aani vaaeet, kinva On aani Off) yaanchyaa-khereej ek tisree shakyataa maanya aahe kaa? Or must everything be either black or white only?

सर्वांना नमस्कार,

विश्वनियम चांगले आहेत की वाईट आहेत?  ते बरोबर आहेत की चूक आहेत?  ते काळे आहेत की गोरे आहेत?  या सर्व प्रश्नांना तुम्ही काय उत्तरे द्याल?  विश्वनियम आहेत इतकेच आपण सांगू शकतो.

जीवनविद्या विश्वनियमांवर आधारलेली  आहे.  त्यामुळे तुमच्या प्रश्नांना खालील प्रमाणे उत्तर देता येईल.

जीवनविद्या सत्य ही नाही व असत्य ही नाही.  ती बरोबर ही नाही व चूक ही नाही.  ती चांगली ही नाही तसेच ती वाईट ही नाही.  ती ऑफ ही नाही तसेच ती ऑन ही नाही.  ती काळीही नाही अथवा ती गोरीही नाही.  तर ती फक्त आहे.

सर्वांना नमस्कार, सर्वांना शुभेच्छा.

[subhash]

MK,

JV is scientific because it is based on laws of nature which do not change over a period of time, as per nation - basically universal and eternal. We insist on it because it is the true. True or false are very different meanings of SATYA and ASATYA. In Vedanta, the meaning of SATYA is NITYA, that which does not change over a period of time - and in that regard JV is SATYA. If we take this meaning of SATYA then there can not be varying degrees of SATYA and hence only two states - either ASATYA or SATYA.

God bless all,
Subhash

[mk]

Namonamah

Thanks, Subhashjee,


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If we take this meaning of SATYA then there can not be varying degrees of SATYA and hence only two states - either ASATYA or SATYA.
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In that case,  how does JV help people respond pragmatically to the various shades of truth that we find in jeevan?

Thanks and Regards

Milind Khadilkar

[subhash]

MK,

please look at the definition - SATYA means NITYA. SATYA does not mean TRUE and ANITYA does not mean false. A human being even if he is ANITYA still exists and is not false. Different shades of ANITYA are NITYA-NOOTAN + different forms of manifested chaitanyashakti and SANSKARAS on that Chaitanyashakti.

God bless you and all,
Subhash

[mk]

Namonamah,
Subhashjee, belated thanks for the answer. I am beginning to appreciate this answer now.

Is satya subjective? Can I judge what is satya and what is not? Will your judgment match mine? Or am I incapable of judging it? How would we classify paradoxes like Russell's paradox?

Thanks and Regards
Milind Khadilkar

(For those who have not come across this delight: Russell's paradox is not a verbal paradox created by a play on words, but one that points to a serious gap in our conceptual infrastructure . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_paradox)

[subhash]

MK,

do not have time to go through the RP.

With SATYA means NITYA. Everything in this world is a manifestation of this NITYA. Now the manifestation itself may get transformed into different forms - liquid, solid, gas, panchamahabhoot, various other elements, energy, etc. but the NITYA remains.

True or false meanings of Satya or Asatya are not implied in Vedanta and by Satguru in SAT-CHIT-ANAND narrations.

Hope this helps.

God Bless All,
Subhash