Sansaar and Paramaarth together

[mk]

Namonamah

JV lays great emphasis on doing paramartha while following all duties of sansaar. I am afraid to post this suggestion, but am nevertheless doing so:

JVM is registered as a charitable trust, which is essentially an organisational sannyaas. Won't it be more in tune with JV's philosophy that the body propagating it should itself be a company registered under the company's act ( which with all the pleasures and pains of business is following an organisational sansaar) whose business (implying monetary profits)  is to preach JV and charge appropriately for this service. The concept of volunteers should be replaced with paid employees. In that way, JeevanVidya Services Ltd. would not just preach JV, but also follow it.

Who knows, it may make JV immensely popular too!

I hasten to clarify that it is not a serious suggestion (Mm m m....). However, I would like comments and a justification of why I am wrong.

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[subhash]

MK,

understand the concept of Sansaar. Even Sanyasee has it ! e.g. He has to take care of his bodily duties (DEHADHARMA), he has to have a shelter of some kind, he has to have some clothes, he has to eat few times a day, he has to drink water, etc. He has to do SANSAAR for living life.

JV also has a Sansaar of its own. JV has to arrange programs - please understand that few of the programs are attended by 50K+ audience. So it has to arrange the MANDAP, chairs, banners, stage, decoration, lighting, generator, audio system... This is all SANAARA of JV.

Satguru has to do recording of his lectures in a studio. At the age of 85+ he goes and does it without accepting any remuneration of any kind because he believes in what he is doing.

Thousands of naamdharaks today do a KARYA without accepting money because they have been benefited by JV philosophy and they want to now make other's life better. Mind you, many NAAMDHARAKs are doing KARYA more than they would have done being part of company and getting paid. Satguru does not believe in being FULL TIME karyakarta. You should do something else for living and not do a full time JV thing - and I believe he is right. If all of the world is working in JV company who will do farming, who will look after patients, etc. That model is not acceptable.

God bless all,
Subhash

[mk]

Namonamah,

Subhashjee,

I am sure when Shri Pai Maharaj talks about "sansaar and paramaartha should go together" he does not obviously mean a sannyaasee's sansaar. He probably is referring to "grhasthaashram". Is that correct?

The point of my post is not whether JVM has a sansaar or not. Certainly, being a living organisation it has to do whatever is necessary. What I wish to point out is that a "Trust" or a "society" is an organisation which does not do business for profit and hence is in a state of "organisational sannyaas", unlike other bodies which are in a "corporate grhasthaashram or sansaar (or at least not in sannyaas)". I had suggested that JVMission should imbibe JV in its operations and do its paramaarth while remaining in a corporate sansaar. It should promote JV as its business and earn profits ( and risk losses) in the process.

Of course, my suggestion was just a serious jest.

Thanks and regards. And wish you and family a very happy Diwali !!

Regards
Milind Khadilkar

[subhash]

MK,

Got you. Thanks for the wishes.

God bless you,
Subhash

[MEENA PATKAR]

TO,
MK,

You are saying JVM can be registered as a Ltd. CO. and can function it's Sansar i.e it should do thetransactions like other companies do (may make profit or incur loss) and at the same time it should do parmaarth i. e. things related to spiritualisation,because it is said by JVm itself that Sansar & Parmaarth go together,right ?
Congratulations for having such a creative brain.
But , I think you are making mistake a in resembling the JVM with a Sansarik person.Jvm should be resembled with Shri Sadguru, who is only interested in giving  knowledge to people ,with which people are able to achieve Yash ,Sukh  & Samruddhi in their life.SAdguru has already reached to the highest position in parmarth, who does not need to live like a sansarik person,but still he is living like a sansarik person & involved in propounding knowledge to people.In the same way JVM ,itself  has become knowledge entity, it does not need to make profit or incur losses (it does not have to function like a sansari , like what other companies are doing) But still it is registered as a Charitable trust for following govenment formalities.It is only interested in spreading the knowledge of philosophy of  a successful life.
While doing this noble cause i. e spreading knowledge ,it does not calculate profit or suffer losses.
Sadguru himself never takes the royalty of Books written or any fees for conducting discourses.His Satshishyas never take any teaching or preaching fees , his diciples neither charge any commission  on books ,cd,cassattes sold or ask for any chgs.,on the contrary  they never hesitate to spend out of their own pocket ,if needed.This is only because each & every person in JVM is only interested in
taking the knowledge of Sadguru to people in as is state (Books,cd,cassattes etc.).
So, though sansaar & parmaarth go together , that is in case of a sansarik person.(purpose behind stateing this is noone should quit sansar to do parmaarth).
This does niot apply to a person who has already been  successful in achieving  or attaining the self realisation state .This is a state which has been achieved by JVM. It can be said that JVM is another name of Sadguru. JVM  & Sadguru is similar.

have you understood & satisfied with your query?,please reply.
Thanks & regards,

God bless all
Meena.




 

God bless all




 

[amitgemmady]

Namaskaras to all

Meena Madam given good answer.

But not direct answer to MK question.

Mr. MK, I think your point should accepted in spirit but not practical.

God bless all

SG

[subhash]

SG,

that's what I meant in my last post on this topic.

God bless all,
Subhash

[amitgemmady]

Mr. Subhash,

Sorry. I do not know the meaning of "Got you".

MK has one more point. Maybe there is charge people pay they become more serious.

Regards

SG

[subhash]

SG,

that is happening in Basic and Advanced Courses. People pay charges. Of course a lot of it also goes into the hotel and food expenses, hall and powerpoint and laptop and other infra expenses. But some amount is available for mandal to be used for other UPAKRAMAS or initiatives such as Satguru's program, SAHYADRI video recording and display, etc.

All other JV Initiatives are free of charge.

God bless all,
Subhash

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
SG,


The direct answer to MK's first question ,is no need to change the status of JVM.It is in place of Sadguru .(interested in Giving knowledge to people).So, there is no need to be registered as a ltd. co.


The other point of MK is paying charges by the people can sometimes be serious.
It is true , because once we pay there is a danger of increse in the thinking ,I have paid,
ultimately it will encourage the Ahankar.(False Ego).But,it will never happen with a true, genuine  & sincere naamdharak,who has dedicated his mind fully,who has complete dedication of mind twds Shri Sadguru.
This can happen, when we understand  JV very well.When we know that ,it is one of the Laws of Nature ,that action & reaction are equal & opposite.(whatever actions we do ,good or bad boomrangs back to us, without fail).If one always keeps this in mind ,
he will never allow the Ahankar  to enter into his mind.So even if he pays, he will not think,I have Paid .He will take this as a good oppotunity to get good reactions boomranged ,in his life.So he will be paying happily.

That is the reason why people in Jv, never hesitate to spend , out of their own pocket, if sometimes situation requires.That is why , people do Granthdindi (selling books),without taking charges/commission for that.Because  they are relaxed with the
knowledge that , when they are spending for a good cause (Propounding knowledge of JV is good cause -it is damn sure),using their time for JVM's work,, they are definately going to get good reactions, in the  form of good fortune.


I hope the other point of MK is cleared.

Thanks & regards


God bless all,
Meena.







 

[mk]

Namonamah

This was in the nature of a thought experiment.
I do not wish to suggest that the status of JVM should change from a trust to a company. But I wanted to reason out the "why not". Meenajee has given one reason which, as a non naamdhaarak, does not sound right to me. JVM is in no sense the equivalent of SantShri Wamanrao Pai. (Continuing the thread from another thread, Indirajee pops up again. During the Emergency, the then Congress President D K Baruah had proclaimed "Indira is India". Of course, the comparison between Indiraaji and India is reverse to that between Shri Pai and JVM). But Meenajee is probably right, as a naamdhaarak, in thinking like this.

Are there other reasons why JVM should not be a company?

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[mk]

Namonamah,

Meenajee, SGjee,

I am not sure what SGjee is referring to as my other point. But it is definitely not what Meenajee's interpretation would suggest. If I were to identify the point I may have vaguely made, it would be that people would be more willing to take seriously (i.e. put serious efforts into) if they have to pay for it.

This post is to clear my confusion.

Thanks, again, Meenajee and SGjee

Regards
Milind Khadilkar

[Deepak_jvm]

Dear Milindjee,
JVM is registered with Charitable trust and is a non-profit organization.
Your suggestion doesn't fit into objectives of JVM.

This topic need not be discussed further. We can spend time on JVM philosophy instead of worrying about JVM management.

May God bless all.

Deepak

[mk]

Namonamah,
Dear Deepakjee,
I am afraid you have missed the point. Please refer to the following in my earlier post:
QUOTE
This was in the nature of a thought experiment.
I do not wish to suggest that the status of JVM should change from a trust to a company. But I wanted to reason out the "why not"
UNQUOTE

If I happen to talk to people about JV, I see this as a likely question that could be asked of me. Hence the topic. Anyway, I have got my answer (though as yet it is unphrased), and we may conclude this discussion.

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[Gaurav Chavan]

Milind Sir,

1st of all thanks for raising this new thought and 2nd sorry for putting my views so late.

You know 99% people who come to JVM don?t want true knowledge, DEV or great progress in pramarth. They just want SUKHA, that?s it. And simplest way to become SUKHI is
                           ?SUHKA DAYA | SUKHA GHYA ||?.
That is the originating point of JVM charitable trust.
I completely agree we should charge people for the program getting knowledge.
Dose it really helped them? that is question. As I already mention only 1% people will learn the philosophy and use it in their life. 
Sadguru is very greatfull to all of us, they gave us very good chance of earning Punya.

Yes, JV always says about SUVARNA MADYA. So accordingly we have started doing so?..

Once again I apologies for digging old closed topic?.