Action and Reaction

[mk]

Namonamah.

According to Law of Action and Reaction, if I bear an ill-will towards someone, the person who is harmed ultimately is I myself. But if I bear ill-will towards a JV follower (who by definition has trained his subconscious mind (antarman) to think only the good of everyone), will I still get the same reaction? Ideally, the reaction I get should be that I receive when I hit a Mango tree with stones: I get mangoes.
       तुलसी अम्ब सुअम्ब तरु फूल फल हि पर हेत ।
       जितते वे पावन हनै उतते वे फल देत ।।


Can I expect the same?

Thanks and regards

Milind Khadilkar

[dr.nutanpol]

Milindji Namaskaar to you and all,

I really admire the inquisitiveness of your mind, thirst of knowledge, reasoning power and analytical mind that you posses. Wish that all this would lead to great achievement in psycho-spiritual progress in the future and help others who are equal minded and need help. You are making us think more and more though driving us mad sometimes. I am joking very seriously. I really feel nice about your presence in the forum.

A JV naamdharak like any sadhak or disciple of any sampradaay would be at the various level of mind. So it is not possible to expect the same behavior from all. But ideally a sadhak should achieve a stage of tree as you have mentioned. The sadhak would be at this stage, if he has divine mind and lost individuality at the lotus feet of dear Satguru. We need to develop an attitude where there is an urge to surrender ourselves to Satguru. Unless this happens, we can not develop spiritually. Initially we may not feel much attachment towards him but gradually we realize that he is our self. He is God incarnate. No body can describe his power and ability to do uddhar of a disciple. All saints have described him as “Living God” and “True God”.

Though action and reaction are reciprocal and equal in magnitude or multiplied many times as per the situation; we have to be forgiving. If we try to develop power to bear and forgive it is great worship of God says Satguru. So the chain of action and reaction would stop if we can forgive others. When we learn to stay in Satguru-smaran and in VP nothing affect much to us; so should try  and stay in VP. Secondly Satguru-kary also helps in achieving in this state of mind. Lastly Satsang and reading books and listening to pravachans of Shri. Satguru and his disciples also helps in our psycho-spiritual progress. So to develop an attitude of tree, we have to develop divine mind, otherwise our mind reacts as per the law of nature and we are engaged in a chain which keeps forming other chains of reactions.

May everybody be blessed with VP and Satguru-smaran!

[subhash]

MK,

not a good question I must admit. Understand the action reaction at absolute level. KARTA receives REACTION based on LAWS OF NATURE for own ACTION. It does not matter on whom the action occurs because ultimately action is happening onto CHAITANYASHAKTI and action is BY CHAITANYASHAKTI.

Almost immediately after your bad action inauspicious or harmful impression will be created in your subconscious mind. It will wait to ripe (ANUKUL KAAL) and wait to manifest in your life (ANUKUL PARISTHITI) and will give you DUKH.

If you do it to a good natured person and the person pardons you or blesses you back you are only reducing the cascading impact of the reaction to that effect. But reaction to original action will be come as DUKH.

God bless all,
Subhash

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
MK,

Namaskar,

You are right .When you hit a mongo tree with stones , you get mangoes,
similarly,
When you try to hurt a JV follower with ill -will,you will surely get something good which is same as mangoes.(because it is a hit to a JV follower).
JV people will not  harm you in return, but take you towards progress only i.e. whatever reactions you will get from a JV follower will lead you to your betterment.

This will happen in practical terms.

But how the law of nature "action & reaction ",works is different,as follows;

1.When you get the mangoes i.e. good reactions from a JV follower, is the reaction of your own good action done some time ,some day before in your past,nobody knows (only you know -but still you can not specifically make out, it was which good action).

2.When you are hitting a mango tree with the stones , and doing a hurting action,,it is definate , that you are yourself sowing  the bad action, which will definately reap tomorrow, in future in the form of reaction.(Nobody knows when this reaction you will get .At that time ,most of people say ,that was my bad destiny,they do not know that it is only the reaction of their own action,previously done).

In this way the law of action & reaction is responsible for making our destiny good Or bad.

Thanking you,
Meena
May God bless all.

[mk]

Namonamah,

Meenajee Namaste,

After reading your answer, I read the earlier ones of Dr. Nutanjee and Subhashjee to the same question.

Taken together, I suppose all are saying the same thing, but when you write
QUOTE
1.When you get the mangoes i.e. good reactions from a JV follower, is the reaction of your own good action done some time ,some day before in your past,nobody knows (only you know -but still you can not specifically make out, it was which good action).

UNQUOTE
I am not so sure. Getting mangoes by throwing stones at the tree is a common experience that (to me at least) does not seem linked to accumulated past actions.

Any comments?

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
MK,
Namaskar,

QUOTE
I am not so sure. Getting mangoes by throwing stones at the tree is a common experience that (to me at least) does not seem linked to accumulated past actions.

UNQUOTE

You are right .It is common experience that anyone hitting the mango tree will get mangoes only.There can not be two opinions about it.

But what made you hit the mango tree only, is related to your past actions (somewhere  sometime acted good ),why did't you feel like hitting  an apple tree or any other tree, then you would have got an apple or that other fruit.(

Thanking you,

Meena,
May God bless all.
 

[mk]

Namonamah,
Meenajee,

I am afraid I do not follow.

Can you kindly elaborate?

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
MK,

 will try to explain the point.

The situation you have said  is "hitting the mango tree with an ill-will  ,and still getting the mangoes".

(here you are comparing mango tree with the JV followers-i.e. hurting them ,will give something good only, because they always think good of everyone.)

According to JV this action is itself a reaction of your own past good deeds.

Mangoes are available in a specific region i.e. Konkan area in Maharashtra. Just think , whether it is posible to hit the mongo tree , if you are staying in Africa, or any other region where mongoes are not grown.

Resembling the situation ,you are able to be in interaction with JV followers ,because you have accumulated  punya ,with the good deeds in your past.

There are so many people ,upto whom still JV has not reached ( for e.g.Africa.-People of Africa , can not come across JV, they can not even hurt  a JV follower  with an ill -will , therefore there is no chance for getting mongoes back  after hitting a mongo tree,because mango tree only is not available to them.

Thus , whatever you are getting good today , even after hurting with an ill- will , is a reaction of your own good actions in the past.

I think the point is clear??
Still not satisfied ,please let me know.

Thanking you,
Meena
May God bless all.