Deto to Dev

[mk]

Namonamah.

Please vote in the poll.

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[mk]

Namonamah,

A thumping majority has said that "deto to dev" but "du:kh, manastaap etc. deto to dev naahi".

Any explanations?


My view is even the du:kh giver is dev. Why? by definition. The definition being "deto to dev". And by inferring from the long discussion in the forum on "bhala" in VP: today's sorrow might be for tomorrow's bhala. So, we should give benefit of doubt and say "du:kh deto to bii dyevach".

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskaar,

Dev word is used with many meanings and it's meaning should be interpreted depending on the context.
 Dev word is derived from word divy of Sanskrit meaning divine.

Mother, father, teacher, atmdev (Chaitany shakti in context with our body), Satguru, nation and universe all these entities give us many things. As they give us many things which are beneficial to us in many ways and as it is a (divine) system or order of God-Parameshwar, JV calls them Dev. Deto to Dev. Parameshwarachi divy vyavastha mhanun Dev.

  Nirgun Parameshwar when takes the form, HE becomes Ishwar in context with Form-body.  From the chaitany shakti which resides in this form,  divine consciousness is arisen. This takes place when the janiv or consciousness does the study of divine teaching and divine meditation.(Divy bodh and divy sadhana)

Janiv, mind has to attain level of self realization by practicing divy sadhana given by Shri Satguru. When janiv attains state of divine consciousness it is called as Dev. (ref-Parameshwar samaj-gair samaj-page -7)

"Manthuni navnita taise ghe ananta" says Saint Dnyaneshwar in Haripath.

Man can not be called as Dev, because he is JIV. His consciousness is not divine. He is full of ignorance and has body consciousness. JIV thinks that he is body and has limited level of consciousness and behaves accordingly. Therefore his actions can not be called as actions of Parameshwar or God-Dev.

Please go through Philosophy/Concept of God page from JV website.

According to JV, knowledge is also called as God-Dev because knowledge plays very important role in our life and without knowledge our life is worthless and useless.

Similarly wisdom is also called as God, "Shahanpan hach Narayan" because without wisdom our quality of life will not be good and it would be a pathetic situation.

[Deepak_jvm]

Milindjee,

Satguru says,

"Parmeshwar ek payari khali utarala, to zala manus: manus ek payari khali ghasarala to zala pashu." means "God descended one step and became Human being; Human being slippedd one more step and became animal".

Satguru also says, "Dusaryachya dukhkhane sukhi hoto to "Danav", dusaryachya dukhkhanedukhkhi hoto to manav ani dusaryachya sukhane sukhi hoto to dev manava".

Sansarache ani paramarthache guhya hya don vakyanmadhe Satguruni thodakyat sangitale ahe. Te samajun ghenyasathi Satguruna sharan janyavachun paryay nahi. I am sure you can find answer to your question in these two sentences.

May God bless all,
Deepak

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
MK,

Namaste.

For the first time I agree with you, that "deto to dev" is perfectly defined .

Sometimes we suffer from other's behaviour and feel sad at that moment .But , if we
observe ,the sufferings recd. by us ,prove to be good for us in our future.

For e.g. one story is said by Sadguru
once a person who wants to travel abroad by a Plane, but gets rejected of the ticket
for the travel.Anyone would have got disappointed  for losing the opportunity to travel, but he keps in mind "deto to dev"(because of whom he  could not get the ticket is also a God)and remains calm.
Afterwards, he comes to know that the same plane gets crashed.

Here ,the disappointment of not getting a ticket ,only saved his life.Therefore whoever had rejected for giving him the ticket, became God for him.



Thanking you,
Meena.

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaste Meenaji,

Please do not mind if I express my views regarding your mail.


Most popular meaning of Dev is God and I think that Milindji has that meaning in mind.


 Satguru says that Dev does not exist everywhere in this world but Chaitany shakti exists in the world in the form JIV having impure consciousness and hence it is not God. 

By definition Nirgun God is Divine power endowed with divine consciousness and divine intuition and divine bliss. As you know this arises from impure consciousness after doing divy sadhana given by Shri Satguru.

When we say Deto to Dev it is to express our gratitude for the person who gives us. (mother, father, teacher, atmadev, Satguru, nation and universe)

May God bless you! take care!

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
Namaste Nutantai,

Thanks for expressing views on my post.It is my good fortune that you have replied on my view.
You are absolutely right while explaining the true meaning of God i.e. Dev.
What I understood is, there are three  categories of life. JIV,SHIV & DEV.
JIV is impure cosciousness,SHIV is pure consciousness & DEV is devine consciousness.
All the three of them consists God ,either in enlightened form or in non enlightened form.

I think once we know this ,we start experiencing the presence of God in each & every being, may be Sajeev or Nirjeev i.e. any living being or any physical materialistic thing.
And then we can experience how each & every thing in this world has become helpful for
making our living easy & happy.And then only we start expressing gratitude twds them.There is a feeling of greatfulness for each & every being ,because it has given us something which made our living happy including the cruel people who are by their nature
harmful to the world,wicked type of people.But when we keep praying for them with gratitude,they also turn good to us.And the "Dev" swaroop can be experienced in them.In this way they also come in the defination of "Deto to DEV".

So, I think 'Gratutude' is the main point which you have said ,is exactly what Shri Sadguru wants to say, by giving the thought that "DETO TO DEV".





Thanking you,
Meena
God Bless all.

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaste Meenatai,

 Meenatai I totally agree with you that God-Chaitany shakti exists in all living and non living forms. Chaitany Shakti is adhisthan of all forms but we can not say that God-divine power endowed with divine consciousness and divine bliss exists everywhere in all men and women therefore Shri Satguru says that, (Sagalikade dev bharalela ahe ya kalpanet satyapeksha kavy adhik ahe.) meaning-If we presume that God exists everywhere then it is more of poetry than factual condition. (Satguru has explained this in Jeevan vidyecha mangal kalash and Parameshwar samaj gair samaj and also in satchiddanand swarup c.d.s)

 If we say that God exists in every living form then anybody can do any harmful action and say that God has done this and he is not responsible for it. This will create chaotic condition in this world. Since most of the men and women have impure consciousness and are likely to do actions which are not in harmony with the laws of nature, we can not say that God exists by its definition. Chaitany shakti exists every where at various consciousness level. Action done by the person depends on the level of mind that person possesses and accordingly he/she does action and therefore has to face consequent reaction.

God (chaitany shakti as adhishthan) is present in all existences in  various forms. It is just like water has different forms like ice, steam which have different properties. The impure consciousness can be transformed with the help of sadhana to attain state of Shiv or Dev. (both have divine consciousness.) I agree with you that as a sadhak we should see the presence of  God (chaitanya shakti as adhishthan) in all forms of God and express gratitude towards God. 

May God bless u! Take care!

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
Nutantai,
Namaskar

I am very delighted to have your view.I fully agree with you.What you have said about the concept of God ,
is very true.

The last para written by you is exactly the answer of the query ,that whether a person giving sufferings to others is also  a Dev (God).

What I think is, from an individual's point of view ,one should always remember that the Swaroop of God exists in every Roop i.e. chaitanya shakti exists everywhere ,and he should continue praying for everybody(including bad people).But from the point of view of the bad people ,they can not consider themsalves God and can not justify their harmful behaviour.

We ask Wellbeing of everybody in the world by chanting Vishwaprathana.
Once a child asked the mother , should we prey for all ,means ,does that include " Ravan "
also (in today' s world any gangster's name can be replaced here) .The mother replied intelligently, yes we should prey VIshwaprarthana for everybody.The first line in the VP
itself asks ' Sarvana Changali Buddhi '.So once the bad people get changli Buddhi, they are automatically going to change their behaviour.

That is what I feel.mk is just twisting the words.But the defination is defination.Mk says Deto to dev means "Dukkha deto to hi dev??".Sticking to the defination Deto to dev the above explanation comes to my mind.I think this can be explained by other way round, does "dukkha denara comes under the defination?,no.Dukkha can not be said to be given."Dukkha dene" is not justified as something given(sacrificed).Therefore ,from this angle also it is true that deto to dev,because "deto" means always a person giving happiness to others.

Please let me know , whether my view is correct ?and the mk's query is answered properly?

You can call me " meena".I am 30+ at present and still to learn so much from you & everybody.

Thanks again,
Meena
God bless all.

[dr.nutanpol]

 Namaskaar Meena,

When Shri Satguru says Deto to Dev, the word sukh is taken for granted. (Sukh) deto to Dev. This is evident from the the Devas he has enumerated. Mother, father etc.  Recently Shri. Satguru has changed the name of book "Sharir sakshat parameshawar". It is changed to "Sharir sakshat parameshwar ani saitan suddha."  So it is very clear unless somebody is doing auspicious actions he/she can not be called as Parameshawar or Dev.

[MEENA PATKAR]

TO,
Nutantai
Namaskar

Absolutely true.

Thank you very much for the post.


Meena
God bless all.

[Vaibhav Nimbalkar]

Very nice posts by Nutantaai & Meenataai!

Just to add to that...
In one of His Pravachans, Shri Satguru said-
"Sukh deto to dev"

Keep praying 1000 VP!