''तुमचा उत्कर्ष तुमच्या हातात''

[DEVENDRA]

Dear All,

विठ्ठल..!विठ्ठल..!!
Shall I suggest one new topic?
I want to start new topic if all are ready then only.
The new Topic is,
''तुमचा उत्कर्ष तुमच्या हातात''
The reason behind is this topic very much usefull to 'युवापीढ़ी'
So  I request all of you please with the help of this topic you all 'ज्येष्ठ तरुण पीढ़ी' guide us.

[mk]

Namonamah,
Devendrajee Namaste.

Thanks for starting a topic of high significance in life, and in particular in the context of JV. I would be very interested in participating in this topic as someone who is full of doubt about the truth of the maxim ''तुमचा उत्कर्ष तुमच्या हातात''.

Mark Twain has quoted one old Chinese proverb which I loosely translate as: "उत्कर्षाची चढण चढताना तुझी कोणाशीही गाठ न पडो".

Let us all ponder on this too!

Regards
Milind Khadilkar

[mk]

Namonamah,

By the way, what is Utkarsh? How do I find out in what my utkarsh lies? How do I know when I have achieved utkarsh. Once I achieve Utkarsh, what do I do thereafter?

Thanks and regards,

Milind Khadilkar

[Gaurav Chavan]

Namste Samjee

The general meaning of utkarsha, is martial progress.
Progress in terms of Health, wealth, upgraded life style.
Yes it is true there are no measurement criteria for this, it is all referential.
You your self can judge your Utkarsha.

After Utkarsha expected to achieve Unnati in general terms, rather both should go in hand to hand.                 

The bottom line of this sentence is ?You your self can achieve the desire goals of your life?.

Regards
Gaurav Chavan

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskaar ,

Shri Satguruni Tumacha Utkarsh Tumachya Hatat ha granth lihila aahe tasech ya vishyavar anek vela pravachane keli ahet. Charkop la ya vishayavar Shri Satguruni khup chan margdarshan kele ahe. ani tyachya c.d. available ahet.

Kasht, kartavy, kaushaly, kalpakata, karuna, kautuk ani krutadnyata ya 7 payarya tyasathi Shri Satguruni sangitalya ahet. yapaiki pratyek payari ha ek swatantra pravachanacha vishay hou shakto. Itke type karne avaghad ahe. tari ya babtit ekhadya point chya anushangane apan discussion karu shakto.

[mk]

Namonamah,
Dr. Nutanjee Namaste,

The seven steps don't seem to be steps of a ladder, in the sense that they don't seem to be in an order. Rather, they look seven steps to be taken simultaneously. Please look at the picture attached.

Why does Shri Pai Mahaaraaj call them "steps"?

Thanks and regards

Milind Khadilkar

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskaar,

I totally agree with you Milindji in saying that these steps to achieve success are not the steps of ladder but the steps which we have to climb one after another but are the steps which are to be taken care of at the same time. I liked the picture which you have created.

Why Satguru has called them steps is the probability that, he means to say these are important points which need to be taken care of if we want to achieve success,  wealth in our life. It can be compared with saptpadi in Hindu marriage where bride and bridegroom are supposed to take 7 steps together and all 7 steps are equally important and carry significance and importance.

Material progress is called as Utkarsh and psycho-spiritual progress is called as Unnati by JV and both should go hand in hand as mentioned by Gaurav because both of them have equal importance  says JV. According to JV material progress and psycho-spiritual progress both are essential for leading happy life. They are like 2 wings of bird and Jeevanvidya philosophy emphasizes that, "Just as a bird needs two wings to fly happily in the sky, similarly Man too needs the two wings of worldly life as well as spiritual life to dwell blissfully and gracefully in the 'sky' of Life.

What is that man must do if he has achieved material success is that,  Man should try to understand and realise that, "Man is born only for imparting the bliss, intrinsic in him, through the medium of the human body and for celebrating the festival of Joy. All over the Universe, the festival of bliss is being celebrated. Man being a part and parcel of the Universe or nature must also spread joy & bliss and this is the divine message of God to entire Mankind. In other words, it is also the intention of the Universal Divine Power that man must spread joy and celebrate the festival of bliss through his good thoughts, sweet speech and harmonious deeds. In fact, Man can experience the bliss within himself in the very process of imparting joy and happiness to others. Anand vata, anand luta"

  Secondly we have to remember that we have taken many births prior to this birth and left this world without realising the meaning of our existence. Therefore Saint Tukaram asks us, Kiti vela janma yave, kiti vhave fajit? When we have got this birth as human being, we should make most of it by surrendering real Satguru and doing sadhana under his guidance and should realise our Sacchidanand Swaroop.

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
MK,

The 7 steps are definately the steps of a ladder.Sadguru Shri Wamanrao Pai has mentioned them in order.Let me try to explain;

1 Kashta

This is the very 1st step towards Utkarsha(material Progress).One who is not willing to do hardwork, can not start moving twds the direction of Utkasha.So the first thing starts in the way twds Utkarsha is Kashta i. e. doing any constructive work (Samajupaukta Kam).

2. Kartavya.

Whatever kashta  i. e. work ,we have accepted to do ,should be done with keeping in mind "Kartavya"i.e. it is our duty to do it for we are one small part of the whole world.
From the time we have born , it is the whole society who has helped us grow up, So we always owe to this world.Thus it is our duty to contribute something twds the wellbeing of this world.

3. Kaushalya.

Whatever work we are doing , if it is done skillfully,the work is going to be very fine.
Then everyone concerned is surely going to be delighted.

4.Kalpakata

Kalpakata means creativity .If creativity is added to this work ,the work is definately going to be superior and get extra advantage of turning the eyes of people concerned ,twds you People will always be wanting you to do that work at any cost.

5.Karuna.

At this stage ,you get arrived at the topmost level in the Utkarsha.At this stage you should always remeber about others who are remained behind you,because this is a stage which is very risky , where there is a risk of a person getting overproudy & Ahankar may step in , & again that person can go to the bottom.Therefore , at this point we should always keep "Karuna" i.e. full sympathy about our colleuges and people assiting us in our work.

6.Kautuk

This means Appreciation.We should always encourage & appreciate others to lift them also upwards .This means we should also guide them to progress in their work.We sholud keep in mind that , they should also move twds Utkarsha i. e. material progress.


7. Krutadnyata.

Last but ,not the least rather very important step.Krutadnyata means greatfulness twds others.We should always remember that we have achieved  "Utakarsha", because so many people helped us.Without taking help of others we can not progress in our life .This should always be kept in mind.For this purpose we should always keep praying Vishwa Prathana for them ,minute to minute ,whenever we get free time .This is the topmost step of ladder to Utkarsha.If This step is followed ,we can never tumble down the ladder and always remain at the top.

Thus,these are the steps in the ladder twds utkasha , that appear in order, one after other ,in a given sequence and lead a person towards Utkarsha i.e. Material Progress in Life.

This is a detailed elaboration given by Sadguru Shri Wamanrao Pai ,of the thought given by him,"LOVE WORK & BLESS ALL,AND YOU WILL BE BLESSED BY GOD".



Thanks & regards
God bless all,

Meena.

[Gaurav Chavan]

Namskar,

I agree with Meena. These are perfect, tested steps. In fact you can find first 4 steps in any business management and 6 step in very few good personality development book.
I know some one will certainly ask. What JV?s contribution in this?
JV?s contribution is most important step No 7, which is either not known to world or no body gave attention on that. 
JV initiates the process of awareness in normal people (not the one who born with golden/silver spoon in mouth or one who born in well educated/business family)
Providing right direction is big and very important task.

So MK
उत्कर्षासाठी जी धडपड करून पडझड़ होत होती, ती ह्या सुरेख पायऱया मुळे नही होत.

Thanks
Gaurav Chavan

[mk]

Namonamah,

Meenajee, Gauravjee Namaste,

I do not doubt the validity of the steps, but just wanted to point out that the steps are not like the steps of a ladder.
I accept that the steps have been written in an order, but otherwise I still fail to see the order that you wish to point out. For example, what is the use of Kaushalya (3rd step) after doing kashta (1st step)?

According to me
कमतरता
कांक्षा (कामना)
कळकळ
कृतनिश्चय
कृतियोजन
कृती (कर्म)
कर्मसाफल्य (आणि त्याबरोबरच येणारा कर्मभार)
कांक्षातृप्ती
कर्तव्यबोध
कृतज्ञता


are the steps in a sequence which would lead to both Utkarsha and Unnati simultaneously. The other steps outlined by you are the substeps of the step Kriti above.
If the above is not valid, my apologies in advance.

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[dr.nutanpol]

सर्वांना नमस्कार,

श्री. सदगुरूंनी "तुमचा उत्कर्ष तुमच्या हातात" हा अतिशय सुंदर ग्रंथ लिहिला आहे आणि उत्कर्षाच्या निरनिराळ्या पायर्‍यांविषयी लिहिले आहे. या पायर्‍या जिन्याच्या पायर्‍यांप्रमाणे नाहीत एक गोष्ट केल्यानंतर मग दुसरी करायची अशा नाहीत तर त्या एकदम चढण्याच्या पायर्‍या आहेत. तर त्यांना श्री. सदगुरूंनी पायर्‍या असे का म्हंटले आहे असे श्री. मिलिंद यांचे म्हणणे होते आणि तसा अर्थ सुचित करणारे श्री मिलिंद यांनी सुरेख चित्रही काढले आहे. 

मलाही या पायर्‍या एकामागोमाग चढण्याच्या पायर्‍या नव्हेत तर एकाच वेळी अंगीकारण्याच्या गोष्टी आहेत असे वाटते कारण मला असे वाटते की जीवनात उत्कर्ष साधायचा असेल तर ज्यांनी ज्यांनी आपल्याला आयुष्यात मदत केली आणि करीत आहेत (कोणत्या ना कोणत्या रूपाने) त्या सर्वांविषयी कृतज्ञता बाळगत कर्तव्य बुध्दीने प्रामाणिक पणे आपण कष्ट केले आणि कौशल्य आणि कल्पकता मिळवण्याचा प्रयत्न केला  आणि अंतःकरणात सर्वांविषयी करूणा बाळगली व सर्वांमधील विशेष गुणांचे नेहमी कौतुक केले, appreciation  केले तसेच आपण सामंजस्याने, नम्रतेने, लवचिकता बाळगून सर्वांशी व्यवहार केला आणि अशा प्रकारे श्री.  सदगुरूंनी दा़खवलेल्या मार्गाने गेलो तर निश्चितच आपला उत्कर्ष होऊ शकतो.

हे सर्व श्री. सदगुरूंनी केलेले मार्गदर्शन-ज्ञान अतिशय अनमोल असे आहे आणि याचा सर्वांनाच जीवनात उत्कर्ष साधायचा असेल तर उपयोग होणार यात काही शंका नाही.

श्री. मिलिंद यांनी कष्ट मिळवल्यावर कौशल्य या पायरीचा उपयोग काय असे विचारले आहे. तर याचे उत्तर असे की कष्ट केल्याशिवाय आपल्याला कौशल्य प्राप्त होणे शक्य नाही हे वास्तव आपण लक्षात घेतले पाहिजे. जेंव्हा एखादी गोष्ट आपण बर्‍याच वेळा करतो, मन लावून कष्ट घेऊन करतो. तेव्हा आपल्याला त्या गोष्टीत कौशल्य प्राप्त होते. एरवी नाही. कौशल्य मिळवण्यासाठी मन लावून-सर्वस्व पणाला लावून काम करावे लागते आणि अशा प्रकारे आपण स्विकारलेल्या कामात कौशल्य संपादन करावे अशी इच्छा आपल्या मनात असणे आपल्या उत्कर्षाच्या दृष्टीने अत्यंत आवश्यक आहे.

[Gaurav Chavan]

Namasrkar,

MK, the steps toy have mention up, according to me they are individualistic. where as JV?s steps are more for team player/manager. 
If not then please clarify how they will help you to work as team player.
And if they are for individual progress then one important hidden step is missing
  कार्यशमता/कुवत        
If you misjudge this parameter or overlooked it then there are quite high chances of getting failure at the end.
all thesesteps
कमतरता
कांक्षा (कामना)
कळकळ
कृतनिश्चय
कृतियोजन
कृती (कर्म)
are wasted  if you don?t have capability.

And one more thing, it dose not mater if you follow JV?s Utkarsh steps one by one or together. Important thing is to follow them.
They are like steps for person like me, who is at the start of his carrier.
Who is at the bottom of his carrier level, want kick off in carrier.
And at the same time it is like together who are at middle or high level of there carrier level.

See there is ladder for 1st 4 steps there is no doubt about it and next 3steps can go in hand to hand with 1st 4 steps.

I hope have cleared the confusion.                     

Thanks & Regards
Gaurav Chavan

[mk]

Namonamah,

Dr. Nutanjee, Gauravjee Namaste,

Thanks to you and all others.

1. Kaushalya is definitely achieved through kashta, but that has to be achieved before doing kashta for a specific achievement. In that sense, kaushalyapoorna, kalpak kasht is equivalent to working smart (rather than work hard), and is part of a single step.

2. Kuvat is definitely important, but (as I understand it) it is a "proof" rather than a "requirement". Should we or should not we attempt something which is outside our capabilities? As the saying is, it is better to have tried and failed, rather than not having tried at all. I will add though, that we must have an understanding of our own kuvat, without being limited by it. Besides, JV assures us that we HAVE the kuvat.

3. If you have an individual kamtarta or kanksha, you will naturally use these steps for individual achievement. If you have a saamoohik desire, the steps are be taken by the samooh. I don't see that the steps are for an individual except in the sense that THE TEAM SHOULD BE UNITED and work EKDILAANE. If the team is fragmented, these steps will fail.

Hope this makes things more clear.

Thanks and regards.

Milind Khadilkar

[Gaurav Chavan]

Namaste,
Sorry MK , I do not agree with you.
1.   You can not achieve  Kalpakta unless you do Kashta.
Because we have put efforts (kashta) to learn core knowledge and basic principle, unless that we won?t be gifted by Kalpakta.

2.   Kuvat is not at all just ?proof? it is playing essential role in carrier progress. So it is one of those required element along with your listed steps.
It is foolishness if you keep on trying same thing again and again. Edison invented electric bulb after 100?s of tries but every time he tried with new way and new thought. 
JV emphasizes on WISDOM. It say?s Where you have very less chances to try there you have use WISDOM. In life how many times we will get chances to choose your carrier path max 2 or 3. So it is better to analyze KUVAT and put next step.

3.   The reason behind I said your steps are individualistic, because they don?t give any room to manage other people. And in your quote what you have said is idealistic not the real situation.
I think you will understand this better, as I read one of your past post where you have mention you interact a lot with S/W people.     

           
Now the things are crystal clear   

Bless all
Gaurav Chavan

[mk]

Namonamah,

Gauravjee Namaste,

1 & 2. I don't see a disagreement. You are saying the sky is blue. I am saying the grass is green. (May be greener on the other side, but I did not say it)
I am sure Edison first "assumed" he had the kuvat , and proved it eventually by inventing the incandescent lamp.
Choosing a career has less to do with kuvat than with personal liking, ability to withstand peer pressure, ability to see through propaganda. In some cases, it has to do with a personal mission and a commitment towards it. The commitment and hard work will eventually build the kuvat, but it is not necessary for making a start. Since you believe in JV, you also believe (as the heading of this topic says) that you have the kuvat. So much easier for you!

3. No problem. If you think a team needs to be specially managed, it is not a team yet. I agree that "a perfect team" is an idealist situation, but JV teaches you to focus your thoughts on the idealistic situation and THE IDEALIST SITUATION IS REAL!! Shankar Mhanato Tathaastu!!

Thanks, again, Gauravjee.

Milind Khadilkar