Good spouse, but at what a cost!

[mk]

Namonamah,
In yesterday's (10th May) Akashwani Programme the speaker said that if one gets a good spouse, he/she has to pay for that happiness through reduction of punya from the divine bank account.

1. Does not sound right to me. I must have missed something somewhere. What and Where?
2. Does it mean that if one chooses a good spouse, he/she is doing a bad deed ?
3. Does it mean that if one chooses a bad spouse, he/she is doing a good deed? Would it cause increase in punya?
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Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
MK,

It is neither a tax, nor a payment ,but it is a consumption of punya.
If you are able to choose a good spouse ,your punya has automatically got consumed and utilised for your well-being.
If you choose a bad spouse , that means you were bankrupt in case of punya. You were not having sufficient punya.There was not existing balance of punya in your account.


Therefore JV says whenever you get good things in life , it is 100% sure that  your own punya , has been consumed & if you want to maintain your own well-being in future also, you have to fill up your account with punya.To fill up the balance of Punya, is possible by chanting VP minute To minute.

Whenever you are choosing a spouse , you do not know about he/she is good or bad.
But afterwards when you realise , you have made a right choice,it can be said that , because you had balance of punya with you, you could consume it for making the right choice (this is not in your own control, but happens automatically,with the laws of Nature.
Sub conscious mind automatically does this).

Do ask further, if not satisfied with the reply.

I think , this also satisfies the query regarding "happiness and tax" in other post.


Thanking you,
Meena,
May God bless all.

[mk]

Namonamah,

The problem with all this is that JV offers no way of knowing beforehand what amount of Punya/ Paap you have in your bank account.

Saying later that "if something bad happens it must be because the person was bankrupt" is bad prophesy and bad philosophy. JV can say this only if it offers a knowledge of one's bank balance and allows a choice of using it: for example, if one knows his stock of punya, instead of spending it for a good spouse, he might spend it on expanding business. And if he knows he is bankrupt as far as Punya balance is concerned, he may choose to postpone the choice of spouse.

Not letting a person know his/her bank balance and then using that unknown balance to explain whatever happens is no different from what a kundli reader/ jyotishi provides as explanation for a wrong prediction. And accepting such explanations is no less than pure andhashraddhaa.

Thanks, Regards, and Best wishes
Milind Khadilkar

[MEENA PATKAR]

tO,
mK,nAmaskar,

I don't know whether to laugh or to cry on this!
I am sorry for nor enabling to explain this very imortant point directly related to our routine life.Please do read Sadguru's books again & again.

It is a fact that noone knows about this devine process happening in our life.(earing
punya/Paap & utilising  it ) And it is automatically done by the subconscious mind.

Jyotishi can tell whatever Punya or Paap is there at existing time, but he does not explain or insist for earning more & more punya This is what is the unique & new thing has been told in  the JVM phylosophy.

It's my huble request  to read Sadguru's books, attend prabodhans of Satshishyas as many times as possible so that you will be able to understand this point .


Meena
May God bless all.

[Varsha]

Dear Milindji and Meenaji,

Regarding this 'spouse' topic my view is 'Sansar sukhacha karaycha asto...to aapoaap sukhacha hot nasto'.Everything done in God's(Sadguru) rememberance should be assumed to be Good for you.

It depends upon what view you adopt to look towards your spouse.Because 'SARVAGHATI RAM DEHADEHI EK'.

Jyancha sansar aapoaap sukhacha hoto tyancha tya babtit magchya janmi tevdha punya jama jhalela asta.
What I think is PUNYA je magil janmi aapan sansarachya babtit kelele aste te ya janmi sansarasathi madat karte...je sampattik paristhiti sathi kelele aste te ya janmi paishachya rupane madtila yete..

[mk]

Namonamah,

Meenajee, I suppose you meant something different than what the first sentence implies (emphasis mine):
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Jyotishi can tell whatever Punya or Paap is there at existing time, but he does not explain or insist for earning more & more punya This is what is the unique & new thing has been told in  the JVM phylosophy.
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Varshajee, I appreciate your viewpoint.

Am I right in rewording it as: No spouse is good or bad.... what we experience depends on us.

Am I right in assuming that JV expects you to continuously earn punya.... that could get "utilised" in "experiencing the goodness" of your spouse?

Thanks and Best wishes

Milind Khadilkar

[Varsha]

Hello Milindji,

Whatever I wrote is ,my knowledge of Sadguru's teachings..Many times I feel that there must be more meaning(GARBHITARTH) than I understand.


1.Am I right in rewording it as: No spouse is good or bad.... what we experience depends on us.

I will reform it as--Everyone is Good..what we experience depends on us.Many Namdharaks who chant VP continuously have experienced this.
After chanting VP from bottom of heart for the person with whom others have had bad experience,they get positive results!


2.Am I right in assuming that JV expects you to continuously earn punya.... that could get "utilised" in "experiencing the goodness" of your spouse?

Yes JV expects us to continuously earn punya through VP and good deeds that could get utilised in experiencing goodness of everyone.
Thanks to Sadguru to teach us exact meanings of Paap and Punya.

Vitthal Vitthal!!

[subhash]

Milind and Varsha,

1. Whenever you get something good it is on consumption of PUNYA. This premise is based on the law of nature of cause and effect. Cause is termed as Punya or Papa depending upon effect.

2. However JV's logic of changing your destiny through changing your thoughts can be experienced and I can talk about many such examples. Do remember a SUKHASAMVAAD from a lawyer in Ahmednagar who was fighting his own divorce in court. Through the knowledge he gained in JV he changed his outlook and later could counsel his wife into not going for a divorce. Now he uses his skills to make good of lot of broken marriages and counsels in divorce cases. Another example of a naamdharak whose wife had already decided of applying for a divorce and came to Satguru's lecture as a last wish from husband. After listening to the lecture she took Anugraha and forgot about divorce! You can change from bad to worse if you do not have WISDOM and from worst to best if you have WISDOM. Satguru says Living life in tune with the laws of nature or creating good impressions incessantly is WISDOM.

3. Punarjanma can be logically deducted and can not be proven in laboratory. Personally I believe it based on logical understanding I have developed with JV's model of DivyaBank, conceptual understanding of action and reaction and cause and effect laws of nature, scriptures like Geeta - life is continuous, because Satguru and all saints and sages who are men of Wisdom and self-less people are saying so and many big scientists and philosophers believed in it. I do not think this can be called Andhashraddha. It is DOLAS shraddha or faith pending verification. Moreover, JV has put forth the concept of going beyond your past deeds through Law of Interaction and becoming what you want through the concept of You are the architect of your own destiny.

MK's frustration of JV not able to give anybody the account of PUNYA or PAPA - not correct. It is not under JV's purview to give this information since it is the law of nature. It is like saying that JV does not allow me to fly like a bird. This will not be under JV's purview. Moreover JV's logical model makes you try even harder in your life, you learn not to give up and you learn to benefit one and all. This I think is a great achievement as against somebody believing in something blindly and causing trouble for self and others.

4. Side notes (towards some of the hinted interpretations in the posts below): While JV talks about being nice to people it is also a practical philosophy. JV does recommend to accept the circumstances as they stand and try to shape them beautifully. JV does not recommend to be tolerant to nonsense. Have come across cases where Satguru has suggested to go ahead for a divorce where people are beating the wife or husband is alcoholic - after giving it a fair try. We need to learn to come out of these phases. JV warns against too much of emotional decision-making. Sant Tukaram has said - SARPA VINCHU NARAYAN, PARI VANDAVE DUROON ! We need to be SAVADH.