positive experiences due to universal prayer

[gargi]

Dear all,

I just wanted to share how helpful the universal prayer has been for me and wanted to hear about everyone elses positive experiences as well. The more we hear about each other's positive experiences after chanting the prayer the stronger we will feel about this prayer and its effects.

The prayer has helped me deal with the daily issues that come up in a routine life- difficult people or situations. After continuously chanting the prayer there is always a guaranteed change over in the seemingly difficult situtation or people, its like magic. Everything falls so smoothly in its own place, like almighty/ sadguru/ positive forces coming and sorting the situation out. Its wonderful.


Please share your wonderful experiences too. It will help us all to have stronger faith in the prayer which in turn will increase its effectiveness for everyone.

Vitthal Vitthal
Gargi

[Vaibhav Nimbalkar]

Thank U, Gargi 4 starting this thread!
     I've found in my own case that when praying 4 everyone's betterment in chanting the Prayer, we get benefitted first! I was very reluctant to talking to mobs or delivering lectures; but going on chanting prayer, now I find myself in a position of delivering lectures to a huge crowd too!
           Also, my English is improving with a very less practice! this is all Sadguru's and the Prayer's grace! Nothing else!!
         Again, thanx a lot!  Viththal Viththal!

[gargi]

Thanks for the response and sharing your experience. It will give us all more motivationto continue with our chanting of this prayer. Also feel free to give us all tips or ideas on how to improve our chanting or sadhana. Please share ideas on different ways on chanting or share how you chant the prayer

[shambhagwat]

   काही माणसांचे बोलणे किंवा आचार विचार आपल्याला आवडत नाहीत. त्यांना आपण नावडती माणसे म्हणतो व शक्यतो टाळतो.? तर काही माणसांना इतरांची टिंगलटवाळी करण्याची सवय असते व त्याचा प्रसाद काहीवेळेस आपल्यालाही मिळतो. अशा माणसांचा आपल्याला राग येतो. त्यांना आपण प्रत्युतर देण्याचा प्रयत्न करतो किंवा अशा माणसांना जाणूनबुजून प्रयत्नपूर्वक टाळतो.

   काही माणसे त्यांच्या स्वार्थासाठी किंवा असूयेपोटी आपल्या चांगल्या हेतूबद्दलच किंवा आपल्या चांगल्या कार्याबद्दलच शंका घेतात.? येथे मात्र आपल्या रागाचा पारा खूपच चढतो कारण हा सात्विक संताप असतो.? या संतापाच्या भरात कित्येकवेळेस आपण आपली मर्यादाही ओलांडण्याची भिती असते.? याहीपेक्षा ज्यांना आपण मदत केली आहे, ज्यांना आपण आपले मानले अशी माणसे जेव्हा आपल्याशी कृतघ्नपणाने वागतात, फसवतात व आपल्याला अडचणीत आणतात, तेव्हा तर मन फारच अस्वस्थ होते.

   असे प्रसंग भोगत असताना तर त्रास झालेलाच असतो.? पण अशा माणसांचे दर्शनही नकोसे वाटते.? अगदी स्वस्थ बसलेले असताना सुध्दा अशा माणसांची / प्रसंगाची आलेली आठवणही मन अस्वस्थ करते.? अगदी जप करत असतानाही मन विचलीत करून ते मन रागाने भरून टाकण्याचे सामर्थ्य या माणसांच्या / प्रसंगांच्या आठवणीत असते.? यावर उपाय म्हणून "तूच आहेस तुझ्या जीवनाचा शिल्पकार" पान क्र.१४४ (प्रार्थना-दुसरा मार्ग) नुसार

   अशा प्रकारच्या आठवणी आल्या की लागलीच त्या व्यक्ति डोळ्यासमोर ठेवून जीव तोडून त्यांच्यासाठी विश्वप्रार्थना म्हणावयास मी सुरवात केली.? कित्येक वेळा तर ही प्रार्थना करताना इतका जोर लावला जायचा की डोळे बंद करून माझ्या मुठी आवळल्या जायच्या. तर काही वेळा त्या जोरामुळे सर्व अंग थरथर कापायचे.? तर कधी सर्व अंग गरम झाल्यासारखे वाटायचे.? अशावेळी संपूर्ण विश्वप्रार्थना सुध्दा नीट आठवायची नाही.? त्यातील एखादी ओळच जोरजोरात म्हटली जायची.? तर कधी पसायदानातील "जो जे वांछील तो ते लाहो" ही ओळ आठवायची व तीच म्हणत बसे. (लहानपणी रोज पसायदान म्हणायची सवय होती त्याचा कदाचित परिणाम असेल)? पहिल्याच तीन दिवसात या प्रकारे मी बऱ्याच वेळेला अशी प्रार्थना केली.

या तीन दिवसातील माझा पहिला अनुभव असा की, ज्या व्यक्तिसाठी अशी प्रार्थना केली त्याच व्यक्तिची पुन्हा येणारी कडू आठवण प्रत्येक वेळी पूर्वीपेक्षा थोडी क्षीण होऊन आल्यासारखी वाटे.? थोडक्यात पुढच्या वेळेस इतका जोर लावायला लागायचा नाही.

दुसरा अनुभव असा की, एखादा व्यक्तीबद्दलची आठवण पुरेशी क्षीण झाल्यावर दुसरी व्यक्ती आठवत असे व ती व्यक्ती आणखीन भूतकाळातील असे.? काही काही वेळेस तर २०-२५ वर्षापुर्वीच्या त्रास देणाऱ्या व्यक्ती आठवत असत!

तिसरा अनुभव हा पहिल्या तीन दिवसानंतरचा आहे.? आता या व्यक्ति जरी समोर आल्या तर फक्त एक सूक्ष्म अशी प्रतिक्रिया उमटते आणि विश्वप्रार्थनेतील एखाद दुसरी ओळ म्हणेपर्यंत ती क्षमलेली असते.

चौथा अनुभव असा की, जप आता पूर्वीपेक्षा जास्त चांगला होऊ लागला आहे.

आता विचार करतोय तो हा की इतकी अवघड गोष्ट इतक्या सहजपणे व तेही तीन दिवसात कशी साध्य झाली?

ह्या तीन दिवसाचा कालावधी जरी ५ ते ८ मे २००६ असा असला तरी गार्गींनी हा टॉपिक सुरु केल्यामुळे हे लिहिण्याचे धाडस करतोय.? गार्गींना शुभेच्छा.

शाम भागवत.

[gargi]

Hello Sham,

Unfortunately I could not read your post. It just came out as many unreadble squares.Could you please send it again in Marathi font or English.Thanks

Gargi

[shambhagwat]

I am attaching the jpg file
ShamBhagwat

[gargi]

Thanks Sham. Hopefuly many more people will share their positive experiences also. Also can u share ideas on how to increase my chanting of this prayer. I try to pray atleast 108 times a day but I want to increase my chanting so that I can also say it in my head and not just out loudly. I feel very relaxed after I chant loudly. The mind becomes thoughtless for a few seconds but this happend only after chanting it loudly. Thoughts interrupt when I chant it in my head.

[shambhagwat]

I am trying to translate my experience in English for those who are not familiar with Marathi ? I have studied in Marathi medium and therefore I have no confidence whether it is done properly.

   In our day to day life we do not like some people but we do not know the reason behind it or we can not explain why we dislike such people.? We can categorised such people as distasteful people.

   We do not like some people because of their style of living in general or way of thinking in? particular.? We simply avoid such people along with the distasteful people.

   Some are bothersome people, having a habit of irritating others casually.? By fate we have to meet these people and have to face their aforesaid habit.? The result is we get provoked considerably and deliver some furious reaction.? As a solution, we try to avoid such people intentionally and put our best efforts to that way.

   Now I am talking about the people who are jealous and create a problem to us.? There baseless and negative comments about us disturb our peace of mind.? But generally they express themselves about us in our absence and avoid to talk to us directly.? We are able to know their comments through some other persons.? In such a case we struggle to wash out their baseless comments and try to put forth our points.? But many a times we do this with some anger.

   People who grave for power, wealth, honour, fame etc. but do not have merit to achieve it, try to push others (competitors) down as they have no other alternative to achieve their goal.? When we are doing some good work with some good intention and that too wholeheartedly the merit flows in our work and automatically we become their opponent instead of being a competitor.? Here we have to face to intentionally created obstacles.? Various skillful undue tactics are played against us.? As a consequence we through our angry reactions.? Here our anger is not an ordinary one.? It is specially blended anger Satvik Santap . It is a mixture of our anger and tremendous power from our inner soul or from our subconscious mind.? More we had performed our work wholeheartedly more power is merged into such anger.? This may lead to imbalance of our mind and sometimes we react abnormally.? We are forced to engage in defending and while defending we are indulged to cut the cake with sword instead of knife or even we use the sword to burst the bubble instead of touching it slightly.?

   Some people to whom we love,? for whom we take extra efforts for their well-being creates problem when they take undue advantage of our good feeling towards them or pay disloyalty instead of gratitude.? Even they do not hesitate to put us in trouble or their act lead us to heavy losses.? Such people take away our mental peace and throw us in deep sorrow and depression.

   We have to experience all these sorrows when all these situations actually happens but these memories hang us in deep sorrow when they are recollected unconsciously.? These memories has grate power to fill up our mind with anger at any time.? Even these memories succeed in to do this while we are praying or performing meditation.

   To get permanent escape from such unwanted memories, I decided to pray VishwaPrarthana? for that particular person as and when the memories belongs to him are recollected in my mind.? Sometimes I had to pour my entire force to concentrate on VishwaPrarthana resulting in my body shivering and getting my eyes and lips closed tightly.? Sometimes I was not able to remember the entire VishavaPrarthana as I got fully involved in the imagination of that particular person is being blessed by me and therefore repeating only a line of the VishavaPrarthana.? I had to pray so many times a day, lasting for three days.

   As an outcome of the process within the first three days,
1) The bitterness of these memories were decreasing slowly on its every recursion.
2) and after decreasing its bitterness considerably the memory of some other person was coming out.

After three days,
3) I experienced that when I met these persons a slight reaction was developed but it was dissolved when I started to pray.
4) I am now able to concentrate well on NamJap

Now I am thinking how I succeed in overcoming such acute problem within three days.

ShamBhagwat

[Deepak_jvm]

Dear Mr Bhagwat,
Thank you very much for your post in English. You have written it better that what you wrote in Marathi.
God Bless you.
Deepak

[shambhagwat]

Thanks Sham. Hopefuly many more people will share their positive experiences also. Also can u share ideas on how to increase my chanting of this prayer. I try to pray atleast 108 times a day but I want to increase my chanting so that I can also say it in my head and not just out loudly. I feel very relaxed after I chant loudly. The mind becomes thoughtless for a few seconds but this happend only after chanting it loudly. Thoughts interrupt when I chant it in my head.

Namaskar Gargi,

   Chanting percolates in our head slowly.? The method of percolating takes its own time (may be months or years) and it know how and when to percolate.? ?There are obstacles in ourselves which resist to percolate.? Our chanting or namjap removes these obstacles slowly and at the same time our chanting / namjap get chance to enter into our head.

   It is my experience that so many times, namjap is running automatically on the background. But after some time intervals it stops automatically for some period (may be some minutes or even some hours) and starts again.? I can not say? when it starts or when it stops.? But I can say that, it definitely happens.? I think it is a fuse system in our body which knows when to stop and it is done for our good sake.? Therefore, do not worry for interruption if it is starting again automatically.

   One more thing I want to add,? when I am at hard times or facing any hard situation,? it starts with greater force and for longer duration and I am able to know its presence.? When I experience high level good emotions such as gratitude, loyalty towards god, it starts with great force and tears flows from my eyes.? for example when I see the picture Saint Tukaram or when I read the biography of Dr. Jorge Washigton Carver.?

   I think, Your sadhana may be vishwaprarthana or namjap knows exact timing to percolate in your head.? ?Let it do itself.

   But after reading your post 3-4 times I became sure that you will get the stage which you want because you have very much keen interest in your upliftment.

   To increase the chanting try to find spare time, such as taking bath etc., standing in the queue.? ?You may be able to increase the number of 108 on weekly holidays.? Chanting loudly is one of the best solution to get the result quickly, because our ear, tongue and vibrations all are become active simultaneously.

   I am writing this as per my experience as desireed by you.? You may pick up which is appropriate to you.

   with best wishes to you for all the time,

ShamBhagwat

P.S. Lines in bold added on 15 July 2006.

[gargi]

Thanks so much Sham. Please continue to post any additional suggestions or thoughts on how to increase the chanting of this prayer and to eventually become egoless. I become very sensitive when people make negative comments/ sarcastic remarks . Hopefully the viswaprarthana will decrease my sensitivity and make me more forgiving and less sensitive. Thanks agin for your suggestions.Best wishes again for your sadahana too.

God bless all
Gargi

[Vaibhav Nimbalkar]

Dear Sham, I have a querry 'bout u........
when do u make time 2 write so much? n that so intelligent too!! Plz guide us on the same.........

[Deepak_jvm]

Dear Mr Bhagwat,
My replies are in Bold.

 In our day to day life we do not like some people but we do not know the reason behind it or we can not explain why we dislike such people.? We can categorised such people as distasteful people.

? ?We do not like some people because of their style of living in general or way of thinking in? particular.? We simply avoid such people along with the distasteful people.

In general we look at others through us. If we like or dislike somebody, it is a reaction to what positive or negative that person does for us. In general we don't like the people who do something or say something which is not in our interest.

We do not like some people because of their style of living in general or way of thinking in? particular.? We simply avoid such people along with the distasteful people.

Yes, It is true.

Some are bothersome people, having a habit of irritating others casually. By fate we have to meet these people and have to face their aforesaid habit. The result is we get provoked considerably and deliver some furious reaction. As a solution, we try to avoid such people intentionally and put our best efforts to that way.

Satguru Shri Wamanrao Pai says" One who becomes happy observing the sorrows and miseries of others is a Satan, one who is grieved witnessing the grief of others is a human being and the one who rejoices happiness observing the joy of others is essentially the divine entity indeed" (Ref: http://www.jeevanvidya.org/Phliquotes.htm).
Yes, some people try to irritate us casually, sometimes it is intentionally. Sometimes it may be a part of a big conspiracy also. All these things may be a part of bullying tactics of the people who consider you as a threat to them. This happens everywhere. At workplce, in society or in any organisation or a political party. A common man tries to run away from politics. But politics is everywhere.

Now I am talking about the people who are jealous and create a problem to us.? There baseless and negative comments about us disturb our peace of mind.? But generally they express themselves about us in our absence and avoid to talk to us directly.? We are able to know their comments through some other persons.? In such a case we struggle to wash out their baseless comments and try to put forth our points.? But many a times we do this with some anger.

? ?People who grave for power, wealth, honour, fame etc. but do not have merit to achieve it, try to push others (competitors) down as they have no other alternative to achieve their goal.? When we are doing some good work with some good intention and that too wholeheartedly the merit flows in our work and automatically we become their opponent instead of being a competitor.? Here we have to face to intentionally created obstacles.? Various skillful undue tactics are played against us.? As a consequence we through our angry reactions.? Here our anger is not an ordinary one.? It is specially blended anger Satvik Santap . It is a mixture of our anger and tremendous power from our inner soul or from our subconscious mind.? More we had performed our work wholeheartedly more power is merged into such anger.? This may lead to imbalance of our mind and sometimes we react abnormally.? We are forced to engage in defending and while defending we are indulged to cut the cake with sword instead of knife or even we use the sword to burst the bubble instead of touching it slightly.?

When you do something good or creative, naturally you should get appreciated. Some people get upset even with the thought of this appreciation going in your favour. Some people talk negative about you in your absence. There are some brave people (like Shalya in Mahabharat). Their objective is to? demoralize the people who are efficient, creative and productive. Many time their objective is to cover up their inefficiencies or un-productiveness or uselessness. Such people are called Bullies. You can find such people everywhere. Nowadays we see various movies or TV serials providing free training and ideas to such people on "How to do bulleying".

"When we are doing some good work with some good intention and that too wholeheartedly the merit flows in our work and automatically we become their opponent they start looking at you as their opponent instead of being a competitor, because they are not competent!"

When people try to irritate us, what we can do is don't get irritated. If somebody starts talking non-sense to irritate you, another thing that I always advise my wife is, CLOSE YOUR EARS. If somebody is acting in a non-sense manner in front of you, you just close your eyes. The same way you have to close your ears. This sounds strange, but is practically possible. If you can do it you don't have to do much to defeat these bullies.
Whether you do Universal Prayer or Namjap, or count numbers delay your reaction, it is a technique which Satguru calls as? INTER-ACTION which prevents your reaction in the form of sudden outburst.

 Some people to whom we love,? for whom we take extra efforts for their well-being creates problem when they take undue advantage of our good feeling towards them or pay disloyalty instead of gratitude.? Even they do not hesitate to put us in trouble or their act lead us to heavy losses.? Such people take away our mental peace and throw us in deep sorrow and depression.

Yes, unfortunately this is also true. I too have come across such people. But if you remember Satgurus thought "kartutvacha mad ani karmafalacha asvad he karmache don bandh takun karma karane yala karmayog mhanatat" and do your actions without worrying about reaction of your action, you won't be unhappy.
Please remember what Jeevanvidya says: Action and reaction are equal and opposite. This is law of Physics for material things. Satguru says, for the actions done by you toward others reaction will be magnified and multiplied towards you. The meaning of the word opposite in Physics or real life is in opposite direction. Reaction or result of your reaction may be immediate or may be after a long time. reaction of your action may not be from the same person. Reaction may be from the same person or some other.
Reaction that you received from the person you helped need not be as a result of what you did to that person. It may be reaction of your action towards some other person done at some other time or may be towards the same person in the previous birth (reincarnation!!)

We have to experience all these sorrows when all these situations actually happens but these memories hang us in deep sorrow when they are recollected unconsciously.? These memories has grate power to fill up our mind with anger at any time.? Even these memories succeed in to do this while we are praying or performing meditation.

? ?To get permanent escape from such unwanted memories, I decided to pray VishwaPrarthana? for that particular person as and when the memories belongs to him are recollected in my mind.? Sometimes I had to pour my entire force to concentrate on VishwaPrarthana resulting in my body shivering and getting my eyes and lips closed tightly.? Sometimes I was not able to remember the entire VishavaPrarthana as I got fully involved in the imagination of that particular person is being blessed by me and therefore repeating only a line of the VishavaPrarthana.? I had to pray so many times a day, lasting for three days.

? ?As an outcome of the process within the first three days,
1) The bitterness of these memories were decreasing slowly on its every recursion.
2) and after decreasing its bitterness considerably the memory of some other person was coming out.

After three days,
3) I experienced that when I met these persons a slight reaction was developed but it was dissolved when I started to pray.
4) I am now able to concentrate well on NamJap

Now I am thinking how I succeed in overcoming such acute problem within three days.

You have used Universal Prayer effectively.
Whether it is Namjap or Universal Prayer, the very purpose of both is to open a communication link between the both - conscious mind and sub-conscious mind. While doing this you have to take one precaution. You shouldn't think negative for yourself or others. Positive thinking is open and clear in the Universal Prayer formulated by Satguru. after understanding the difficulties faced by Satsadhaks, Satguru came out with this wonderful Universal Prayer. That is why Universal Prayer can help some people in many cases where just Namjap cannot, unless it is done under the guidace of Satguru.

I have tried to explain on the basis of my understanding of Jeevanvidya. Whatever you like belongs to Satguru. If you find something incorrect, please correct me.
God Bless You,
Deepak

[shambhagwat]

Dear Mr Bhagwat,
My replies are in Bold.

 In our day to day life we do not like some people but we do not know the reason behind it or we can not explain why we dislike such people.? We can categorised such people as distasteful people.

? ?We do not like some people because of their style of living in general or way of thinking in? particular.? We simply avoid such people along with the distasteful people.

In general we look at others through us. If we like or dislike somebody, it is a reaction to what positive or negative that person does for us. In general we don't like the people who do something or say something which is not in our interest.

Dear Deepak,
Namaskar,

I accept that "In general we look at others through us."? But I do not agree that the distasteful people or people indicated in para 2 above, always intentionally do some negative for us.? I also do not agree that these people always do something against our interest.? ?I have kept aside the word "Positive" in your post as we are trying to concentrate on "unwanted and unpleasant memories only which are recorded by our subconscious mind".? While describing the people of these type, I had to say something else.? Here I want to attract attention to the point that "there are some people who do not do anything harm to us intentionally but till so some unpleasant thing is get recorded by our subconscious mind."? That is why I am writing this to explain it in more details about the distasteful people etc.

we both are the students of JeevanVidya Philosophy,? so let us try to explore some logic behind your perfect sentence (i.e. "In general we look at others through us.")

As we all are aware that we get some surroundings by virtue of our birth. (that is place of birth, our parents, relatives and other favourable/non favourable conditions).? All these are the basic reasons to develop Sanskar (संस्कार) on us.? (Here I am intentionally eliminating the topic of the Sanskar which we get by virtue of our previous births. This will help us to simplify the discussion).? When other people act according to our Sanskar, it do not create problem to us but when these people do something which is not bad as per their Sanskar but more or less contradictory to our Sanskar, then unhappy situations arises.

For example, In UK there is rainy season for 8 months and within this season, there are rare occasions to see the bright sun.? The people therefore, suffer from cough and cold.? If someone try to clear his nose with his own handkerchief and that too on the dining table, it will not be treated as bad habit as per their Sanskar.? But in India we will not tolerate this as this is very much contradictory to our Sanskar.? We generally use the term "difference of opinion".? On the same line we will describe this as "difference of Sanskar"

But the term "Sanskar" is very much general term and gives us some slight idea only.? But it is not possible to find out the exact cause behind our each and every Sanskar.? ?From this point of view it will also be clear that it is quite difficult to find out the exact cause behind the Sanskar of others.? Our inability to find out exact cause lies in the fact that,? Sanskar resides in our subconscious mind and we have no direct access to our subconscious mind.

Hence I have written that there are some dislike people, but we do not know the reason behind it or we can not explain why we dislike such people.? But we have to take note of these? people also because, some unhappy or unpleaaent notes are definitely being recorded by our subconscious mind when we meet these people,? though these people do not act intentionally against our Sanskar or against our interest.

"When we are doing some good work with some good intention and that too wholeheartedly the merit flows in our work and automatically we become their opponent they start looking at you as their opponent instead of being a competitor, because they are not competent!"

When people try to irritate us, what we can do is don't get irritated. If somebody starts talking non-sense to irritate you, another thing that I always advise my wife is, CLOSE YOUR EARS. If somebody is acting in a non-sense manner in front of you, you just close your eyes. The same way you have to close your ears. This sounds strange, but is practically possible. If you can do it you don't have to do much to defeat these bullies.
Whether you do Universal Prayer or Namjap, or count numbers delay your reaction, it is a technique which Satguru calls as? INTER-ACTION which prevents your reaction in the form of sudden outburst.

Yes, I agree totally that closing of our ears or counting the numbers helps us.? But my point is that, with the help of these tactics we are able to minimise the intensity of the situation and accordingly the situation is being recorded by our subconscious mind with some lesser degree of unhappiness.? We cannot stop recording the displeasure / unhappy notes totally in our subconscious mind with the help of these tactics.? The person who have attained the stage of Stitapradya (स्तिथप्रज्ञ) is only able to stop recording.? ?Here I want to make it clear that, I am not telling you that, the remedies you have told are not useful.? ?

While writing the experience my intention was totally different.? Categorisation of the people is not my main objective.? Further how to tackle these people was also not my? point.? ?I do not want to focus on it..? To find out the various tactics which may help us to face such situation is not the scope of my experience.

I just want to say that in our day to day life so many unpleasant things takes place and these things are get recorded by our subconscious mind and these recording may be harmful in our future life.? ?Therefore, our main objective should be to find out the solution to eliminate the effect of such harmful recording which is already being done by our subconscious mind.? I have to say that with the help of VishawaPrarthana we can achieve this goal.? To explain how we are able to achieve this goal, with the help of VishwaPrarthana, I have mentioned my experience.? That is all.

Tomorrow, I will try to explain the above para in more details. My findings will be based on my own experience but the entire logic will be derived from my favourite book "Tooch Ahes Tuzya Jeevanacha Shilpakar".? But I will write it first in Marathi and next day I will try to translate it into English.? Please allow me some time.

God may bless all.

ShamBhagwat

P.S.? I appreciate your method of counting number and closing the ears.? You are using these tacties, means your mind is under your control.? Congratulations!

[gargi]

Hello Mr Bhagwat,

Could you please send the Marathi reply as an attachment like u did in your previous post so that I can read it. I don't have the software in my computer which has the devnagri script. Thanks. Looking forward to reading your reply.

Thanks,
Gargi