positive experiences due to universal prayer

[gargi]

with maximum chanting of the vishwaprarthana we decrease the number of people who make negative comments/behaviors from coming near us beacuse we attract positive forces/ thoughts/people with the constant chanting of the vishwaprarthana. So when I encounter negative situations or behaviors from others, I take is as a sign that I have to increase my vishwaprarthana - my grandfather puts it as prarthana kami padali mahnun ase zale.

[shambhagwat]

with maximum chanting of the vishwaprarthana we decrease the number of people who make negative comments/behaviors from coming near us beacuse we attract positive forces/ thoughts/people with the constant chanting of the vishwaprarthana. So when I encounter negative situations or behaviors from others, I take is as a sign that I have to increase my vishwaprarthana - my grandfather puts it as prarthana kami padali mahnun ase zale.

Namaskar Gargi,

I have made the words bold in your post.? These words themselves are stating your status.?

1) The word "encounter" states that you are becoming alert or your awareness is increasing. This is the very good sign of your improvement.? When we become alert then only we possess the power to change our thoughts or direct our thoughts or regulate our thoughts.

2) Because of the the word "constant" in your post you have got the power of encountering negative thoughts.?

Both the words are directly related to each other.? Constant VishwaPrarthana make us alert and this alertness tell us to pray VishwaPrarthana whenever we detect the negative thought.

I am trying to explain with an example.
In our school days we were used to wear uniform.? The class teacher while entering in the class room was able to detect a student who is not in the uniform within a single glance.? Here I want to say that the teacher possess the power of detecting the student who is not in uniform because all others are in the uniform.? In other words because of the school's rule of wearing uniform,? the teacher achieves the awareness.

Now to know how VishwaPrarthana works, we will try to interchange the terms as under in the above example.
teacher = self
student = thought
student in uniform = positive thought
student not in uniform = negative thought
Class room = conscious mind
School rule = constant VishwaPrarthana

I am very much happy with your post.? ? I thank you very much as your post helped me to express myself.? Your grandfather is guiding you well.? Please convey my Namaskar to him.

ShamBhagwat

[shambhagwat]

Dear Sham, I have a querry 'bout u........
when do u make time 2 write so much? n that so intelligent too!! Plz guide us on the same.........

Dear Vaibhav Nimbalkar,
Namaskar,

I will try but after some days.

ShamBhagwat

[shambhagwat]

या तीन दिवसातील माझा पहिला अनुभव असा की, ज्या व्यक्तिसाठी अशी प्रार्थना केली त्याच व्यक्तिची पुन्हा येणारी कडू आठवण प्रत्येक वेळी पूर्वीपेक्षा थोडी क्षीण होऊन आल्यासारखी वाटे.? थोडक्यात पुढच्या वेळेस इतका जोर लावायला लागायचा नाही.

शाम भागवत.

जीवनविद्येच्या तत्वज्ञानानुसार जेव्हां एखादी अप्रिय घटना घडते तेव्हां त्या घटनेचे सर्व तपशील अंतर्मनात नोंदले जातात.? ते नोंदले जात असताना आपल्या भावनाही नोंदल्या जातात.? या नोंदीच्या बरे-वाईट पणाबद्दल अंतर्मनाला काहीच घेणे-देणे नसून अंतर्मनाचे कार्य फक्त नोंदी करणे त्या अद्ययावत ठेवणे व योग्य वेळी त्या परत करणे इतकेच आहे.

अंतर्मनात नोंदविलेल्या नोंदी बहिर्मनात प्रक्षेपीत करणे हे अंतर्मनाचे नेहमीचे कार्य आहे.? त्यानुसार अंतर्मनाला जी माहिती सर्वात जास्त महत्वाची वाटते ती माहिती अंतर्मन बहिर्मनाकडे प्रक्षेपीत करते. तसेच ही माहिती बहिर्मनाकडे पाठविण्याचे आणखीही एक कारण आहे.? काही काळ उलटल्यानंतरही पुन्हां एखाद्या नोंदीबद्दल काहीच घडले नाही तर अशा नोंदीचे काय करायचे असा प्रश्न अंतर्मनाला पडतो.? परत जर संदर्भासाठी लागल्या तर झटकन सापडतील अशा ठिकाणी ह्या नोंदी जपून ठेवावयाच्या की, दुसरीकडे कुठेतरी दुय्यम ठिकाणी त्याची व्यवस्था लावायची याचा निर्णय अंतर्मन करू शकत नाही. याचे कारण असे की, बहिर्मनाने सांगितले म्हणून या नोंदी अंतर्मनाने केलेल्या असल्यामुळे या नोंदींचे पुढे काय करायचे त्याची जिम्मेदारी अर्थातच बहिर्मनाची आहे.? यास्तव? अंतर्मनाला एकच मार्ग शिल्लक राहातो तो म्हणजे चक्क बहिर्मनालाच या नोंदींचे काय करायचे ते विचारणे.

यासाठी अंतर्मन संबंधीत घटनेचे सर्व तपशील भावना व विकारांच्या सर्व छटांसकट बहिर्मनाकडे पाठवून देते व बहिर्मन आता काय निर्णय देते त्याची वाट पहात बसते.? जेव्हां हे सर्व तपशील बहिर्मनाला उपलब्ध होतात तेव्हां बहिर्मन त्या मूळच्या परिस्थितीनुरुप आकार धारण करते.? भाव भावनांच्या व विकारांच्या सर्व छटांमध्ये तंतोतंत एकरुप झाल्यावर त्यासंबंधातील नविन माहिती अथवा तपशीलाच्या आधारे त्याची उजळणी करते.? नविन कल्पनांच्या आधारे तसेच विकारांची मदत घेऊन त्यात भर टाकते व ही सुधारित आवृत्ती अंतर्मनाकडे नोंद करण्यासाठी परत पाठवून देते.? अंतर्मन हे त्याप्रमाणे नोंदी करत राहाते.

[shambhagwat]

ही नव्याने पाठवलेली माहिती मूळच्या माहितीशी जोपर्यंत मिळतीजुळती असते तोपर्यंत कुठलाच प्रश्न उपस्थित होत नाही.? मात्र जर या दोन्हीमध्ये जर फारच तफावत पडू लागती तर मात्र अंतर्मन गोंधळते.? उदाहरणार्थ एखादी अप्रीय घटनेची नोंद अंतर्मनाने केली असेल व त्यावेळेस आलेला राग वगैरे गोष्टींचीही नोंद केलेली असेल.? आता या सर्व गोष्टींची माहिती बहिर्मनाकडे पाठवल्यावर जर बहिर्मनाने अशी माहिती प्राप्त झाल्याझाल्या विश्वप्रार्थना करावयास सुरवात केली किंवा जर संबंधीत माणसाचे भले चिंतायला सुरवात केली तर हे सर्व अंतर्मनाकडे नोंद करण्यासाठी पाठवले जायला लागते.? मूळची माहिती व सुधारित माहिती या दोन्हीमध्ये जमीन अस्मानचे अंतर पडल्यामुळे अंतर्मन गोंधळून जाते व हा तिढा दूर करण्यासाठी अंतर्मन परत सर्व मूळ माहिती जरा जास्त जोर लावून परत बहिर्मनाकडे पाठवते.? अर्थातच आपल्यालाही विश्वप्रार्थना म्हणण्यासाठी जास्त जोर लावायला लागतो.

वारंवार प्रयत्न करूनही ही तफावत तशीच राहात आहे हे लक्षात आल्यावर मात्र अंतर्मनाला कळून चुकते की, येथे गोंधळ वगैरे काहीही नाही व परत परत मूळ माहिती पाठवायचे बंद करून ही सुधारित माहिती नीट साठवून ठेवते.?

कालांतराने परत जेव्हां ह्या माहितेचे काय करायचे हे ठरविण्यासाठी अंतर्मन ही माहिती परत बहिर्मनाला उपलब्ध करून देते तेव्हां मूळच्या राग वगैरे विकारांबरोबरच नोंदवली गेलेली सद्‌भावनाही बहिर्मनाकडे पाठवून देते.? यामुळेच पुन्हां जेव्हां आपल्याला ती सुधारीत अवस्थेत नोंदविली गेलेली अप्रीय घटना आठवते तेव्हा त्या आठवणीतील सद्‌भावनेचा अंश त्या अप्रिय घटनेचा अप्रियपणा कमी करून टाकतो व त्यामुळेच त्या घटनेतील अप्रियपणा कमी झालेला आपल्याला आढळून येतो किंवा पूर्वीईतके मन उद्वीग्न होत नाही.

वरील विचार मांडण्यासाठी मी तूच आहेस तुझ्या जीवनाचा शिल्पकार या पुस्तकातील खालील गोष्टींचा संदर्भ घेतला आहे.? हे संदर्भ कसे लावले आहेत ह्याबाबत कोणाला शंका असेल तर तेही मी उलगडण्याचा प्रयत्न करेन. पण त्याला बराच वेळ लागेल.

पान क्र.६२ आपल्याला आपले नशिब घडवायचे असेल तर केंद्र्स्थानी असणाऱ्या या विचारावर नियंत्रण आणण्याची कला हस्तगत करता आली पाहिजे.

पान क्र.६५ बहिर्मन हा शेतकरी असून अंतर्मन हे शेत किंवा जमीन आहे. विचार ह्या बिया आहेत.

पान क्र.६५ येथे एक महत्वाची गोष्ट लक्षात ठेवली पाहिजे की कुठल्या जातीच्या वृक्षांची बिजे जमिनीत पेरायची हे जमीन शेतकऱ्याला सांगणार नाही.

[shambhagwat]

पान क्र.६६ व या अंतर्मनाची फिल्म तयार करण्याचे काम बहिर्मन करते.

पान क्र.६६ त्याचप्रमाणे कल्पना व भावना यांचे खत-पाणी अंतर्मनात पेरलेल्या विचारांच्या बियांना लागते.

पान क्र.६० विचार व विकार, संकल्प व विकल्प, कल्पना व भावना अशा तऱ्हेचे रंगी-बेरंगी धागे आपण आपल्यातूनच निर्माण करून बहिर्मन व अंतर्मन या उभ्या आडव्या टांक्यानी हे संसाराचे जाळे विणण्याचे काम करीत असतो.

पान क्र.८२ येथे एक महत्वाची गोष्ट लक्षात ठेवली पाहिजे, ती ही की, कल्पना व भावना या प्रचंड शक्ति मनात वास करतात; त्यांचा युक्तीवे वापर केल्यास अंतर्मन सुंदर साथ देते पण त्यांचा वापर निर्बुध्दपणे झाल्यास जीवनात साडेसाती निर्माण होण्यास तेच अंतर्मन कारणीभूत ठरते.

पान क्र.१११ ही सर्व कर्मे टेप करून घेण्यासाठी सूक्ष्म जाणीवेचा टेपरेकॉर्डर आपल्या देहाच्या खोलीत लावून ठेवलेला आहे,

पान क्र.१२१ चांगल्या लोकांच्या संगतीत राहण्याने आपल्यातील जे वाईट आहे ते तळाशी जाते व जे चांगले आहे ते मनाच्या पृष्ठभागावर येऊन बसते.

पान क्र.१२२ सर्वसाधारणत: माणूस हा सुध्दां सरड्याप्रमाणे ज्या रंगाच्या विषयाच्या पानावर बसतो त्या विषयाचा रंग धारण करतो.

तात्पर्य :
१) ज्या ज्या वेळेस आपले अंतर्मन अप्रिय घटनांचा तपशील आपल्या बहिर्मनात प्रक्षेपीत करण्याचा प्रयत्न करते, तीच वेळ असते त्या घटनेचा अप्रियपणा कमी करण्याची.? म्हणूनच ती वेळ आपण गमावता कामा नये.? आणि त्यासाठीच विचारांवर लक्ष ठेवण्याची कला साधणे आवश्यक आहे.? जर आपण विश्वप्रार्थनेच्या साहाय्याने आपले मन चांगल्या विचारांनी सतत भरलेले ठेवले तर ही कला साधणे आपोआपच साधते.? किंवा दुसऱ्या शब्दात ही अवघड कला विश्वप्रार्थनेच्या युक्तीने सहज साधते.

२) जेव्हां एखादी अप्रिय घटना घडते तेव्हा संबंधीत माणूस आपल्याच अंतर्मनात एक जागा त्याच्यासाठी म्हणून बळकावतो.? या गोष्टीची आपण जेव्हां उजळणी करतो तेव्हा तो माणूस आपल्याच अंतर्मनाची शक्ति वापरून त्या जागेवर इमारत बांधण्याचा प्रयत्न करत असतो.? अशी उजळणी होत असताना जर आपण त्या प्रसंगा संबंधात आपल्या कल्पनांची व विकारांची अयोग्य जोड दिली तर अल्पावधीतच तो माणूस आपलीच शक्ति वापरून टोलेजंग इमारत बांधू शकतो.? म्हणून जेव्हां आपले मन त्या प्रसंगाची उजळणी करू बघेल तेव्हांच विश्वप्रार्थनेच्या साहाय्याने त्या बळकावल्या गेलेल्या जागेवर सद्‌भावनांची पेरणी केली तर तो माणूस त्या बळकावलेल्या जागेवर इमारत तर बांधू शकणारच नाही उलट त्याने बळकावलेली जागा आपण परत मिळवू शकू.

शाम भागवत

[shambhagwat]

Hello Mr Bhagwat,

Could you please send the Marathi reply as an attachment like u did in your previous post so that I can read it. I don't have the software in my computer which has the devnagri script. Thanks. Looking forward to reading your reply.

Thanks,
Gargi

I am attaching jpg file

ShamBhagwat

[shambhagwat]

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[gargi]

Namaskar Mr Bhagwat,

Your posts always help me further in my sadhana. Thanks again.

God bless all,
Gargi

[shambhagwat]

As an outcome of the process within the first three days,
1) The bitterness of these memories were decreasing slowly on its every recursion.

ShamBhagwat

It is very difficult job for me to post my thoughts in English after studying the JeevanVidya Philosophy in Marathi language.? But till I am trying.

I think, when unwanted situations takes place the said event is noted with every details in our subconscious mind as per our JeevanVidya theory.? While recording such incidents all our emotions such as our anger, sorrow, unpleasantness etc. are also get recorded (along with its intensity).? The subconscious mind is not dealt with the good or bad of such recording.? It only knows to record and keep it up-to-date and return to conscious mind when it becomes necessary.

It is one of the routine housekeeping duty of our subconscious mind to transmit these recording now and then to conscious mind. The main objective of this is to refresh / update the old recording.? Accordingly subconscious mind transmit the recording to conscious mind, which it feels appropriate to transmit .?

Here, while performing the work of housekeeping, if revision of such recording is not done, then, the subconscious mind cannot determine what to do with all the information.? It wants to know from our conscious mind whether all these information is to be kept at the top of all or at least at a such place from where all the details will be retrieved efficiently with minimum efforts.? Otherwise the subconscious mind wants to shift all the information to some other place which will be less convenient for its retrieval.

But the subconscious mind cannot take the decision as all the recording and it's place also have been fixed as per the instructions of the conscious mind.? The only way remains with the subconscious mind to send it to conscious mind and to await for further instructions from conscious mind in this regards.

As a result all the details are made available to conscious mind including the emotions and the intensity of such emotions.? On receipts of these details the conscious mind transform itself according to them.? Thereafter the conscious mind adds new details, if any.? If the conscious mind feels that the information so received is important then it use its power of imagination and increase or decrease the intensity of the emotions, makes revision and fill up the loop holes if any exists.? All the revised information is recorded by the subconscious mind as the updated version of the old recording.

If the conscious mind reacts to the information received and sends it back to subconscious mind in the same way and in the same fashion (i.e. which is in accordance with the earlier recording) then subconscious mind understand the meaning of it? The information is kept intact and additional details, if any made available to it are also combined with the old one to make it all as a single parcel.? It also make a strong note of its recursion

When the old information and the revised/updated information is not contradictory then the subconscious mind? has no problem to store it. But when the revised information is exactly opposite or not in accordance with the original one, then the subconscious mind get confused.? For example, if the original incident which is recorded with some anger, and if on receipt of such information, the conscious minds starts VishvaPrarthana or starts to bless the concerned person,? then these blessing comes to the subconscious mind for recording.? Here subconscious mind is expecting the information or thoughts with some anger as a return value, but getting good thoughts with some quantum of love.? To resolve such data conflict, the subconscious mind sends all the old information with some extra force.? That is why we have to pray VishvaPrarthana with some greater force.?

But if we continue the VishvaPrarthana with some grater force,? then the subconscious mind realise that there is no data conflict and stops to send the old information repeatedly.? Accordingly these blessing and some quantum of emotion of love is also get stored along with? the old information.

After some time interval,? when such revised information is again transmitted to conscious mind,? the conscious mind gets the information which now includes some blessing etc.
Therefore, when we remember such incident again, we are in comfortable position than earlier because the bitterness of the original situation is decreased considerably because of the additional recording of our blessings etc.

Conclusion :

1) When the subconscious mind transmits the details of the old unhappy incident, that particular point of time is the most appropriate time to take chance to decrease the bitterness of such incident.? That is why we should be cautious so that we will not miss the bus.? For this purpose, it is important to acquire the skill of awareness.? This skill can be achieved with constant praying VishvaPrarthana or NamJap.

2) When the subconscious mind records the unwanted unpleasant incident the concerned unwanted person acquires a small piece of land in our subconscious mind.? But at the time of rehearsal of the incident he uses the power of our subconscious mind to construct his house on the land so acquired by him.? If we try to enlarge such recording with the help of our imagination power and that too with some emotions, then that person is able to build a skyscraper.? We should not allow him to do that.? Instead we should pray VishvaPrarthana for him so that some blessing will be sowed on the piece of land so acquired by him.? This will prevent him to use the land so acquired and in long run we will be able to get the hold of the said piece of land in our custody.

ShamBhagwat

[suhas]

how to use marathi font here?

[shambhagwat]

Namaskar Suhas,

I was facing the same problem.? Amit helped me.? I am reproducing the answer of Amit.? You will get some more information in the topic "Welcome to JeevanVidya Discussion Forum"

ShamBhagwat

नमस्कार भागवत साहेब,

खाली मी मराठीत लिहिण्यासाठी काय करावे ह्याची सूची दिली आहे. ही सूची Windows 2000 users साठी उपयोगी पडेल.

• Go to Control Panel -> Regional Options
• Select "Indic" under "Language settings for the system"
• Click "OK", the system will ask you to restart
• Restart the system
• Install Baraha 6.0 from http://www.baraha.com
• Start Baraha Direct 6.0 and press F12
• In the configuration screen select "Marathi" as Indian language and UNICODE as Output format
• Whenever you want to type in Marathi press F11 and then type (press F11 again to type in English). Note that you don't need to select any special font for doing this. You can type in Marathi at almost anywhere like in notepad, Start Menu->Run edit box, MS Word etc.
• Don't use non-standard browsers that use engines of IE/Netscape in the background (e.g. Deepnet Explorer). I have found out that the edit box under Deepnet Explorer prints ?? characters instead of devnagari characters.

Happy editing...

धन्यवाद,
अमित.

[shambhagwat]

when do u make time 2 write so much?

This is a personal question but till I am replying as all of us are the member of JeevanVidya Family.

See. I am a deaf person.? 70+ % by right ear and 50+% by left ear.? Therefore, I cannot take part in cinema, drama, TV, Music, Parties etc.

Further I cannot take part in Gossips, chatting etc.

No one around me is interested in JeevanVidya | so I never speak |
No one around me want to speak with me | as I am deaf? ? ||

But I am very much happy as I feel that it is a God's boon.? Because of this
1) I am able to shut my ears at any time by switching off my hearing aid machine! (I generally prefer to keep my machine in switch off position and I switch it on if it is necessary!!)?
2) I am able to concentrate at any time.? and lastly
3) I have ample time for any purpose which I like.

I am enjoying my life well.? I am happy also.? I never worry for the things which I have not got but always think what I have possess and express gratitude whenever I get chance to express it.? I possess strong faith in "je ghadate te changalyasathich जे घडते ते चांगल्यासाठीच" This helped me to maintain positive approach.

n that so intelligent too!! Plz guide us on the same.........

In JeevanVidya the question of intelligence does not arise at all.? A person who performs his Sadhana gets the wisdom automatically in proportion to the duration and quality of his Sadhana.

But I am trying to explain the basic concept I have kept in my mind while studying JeevanVidya.

I. Reading of books.
1) I am reading the books not to gather the words but to go beyond the words.? If I will read more and more and achieves the command on the words without any Sadhana, I will be a good Pandit पंडीत but I will never be able to know god.
2) I always want to remember the example on page no 181 of Tooch Ahes Tuzya Jeevanacha Shilpkar तूच आहेस तुझ्या जीवनाचा शिल्पकार.As per the said example our Satguru is our mother.? She wants to show the moon (SwaroopChandra स्वरूपचंद्र) to us.? But she knows that though she is able to show us a moon, we (the children) have no capacity to see it directly.? Therefore she is showing us the branches of the tree.? These branches of tree means the various books written by her.? We should not commit a mistake of sticking firmly to the words in the books but we should go beyond it to see the moon (SwaroopChandra)? Otherwise same thing will be happened with the books, which has been happened with MurtiPooja मूर्तीपूजा.? I always tell myself that I will be able to go beyond the words with the help of Sadhana only and not by reading more and more books. (In other words by viewing various other branches of the trees.)

Same thoughts have been expressed by Geeta Datar while answering Varsha's question. She wrote? "However your progress in your Sadhana is the only answer to everything. Till then these are all words only."? She has expressed everything in a sentence.
3) I always read less and think more.

II. Forum Activity:? While taking activity in the forum,
1) I never try to put my thoughts to convince others but I always put my thoughts which have convinced me.
2) We all are the students of JeevanVidya who are studying under the fifth method described by our Satguru (Vidyarthyana Margdarshan JeevanVidyeche विद्यार्थ्यांना मार्गदर्शन जीवनविद्येचे) and therefore if I am wrong someone will correct me.? I am interested in having correct concepts only.? Who is correcting me is totally immaterial.? I therefore, request to all.? If I am wrong, please do not keep mum.? Please correct me.? I think it is the duty of our senior JVM members to guide me if I am committing any mistake.
3) I know that my English is not so good and I have no habit of writing in English and therefore, Before posting I generally write my post on rough pad and use spell checker.
4) I always read my post 2-3 times before posting it.? This help me to use proper words (as per my vocabulary).? I have purchased two English books of Satguru to increase my vocabulary.? But I am bit slow while reading English books as I have to read it with the help of dictionary.
5) After posting I read my post once again after some time. And so many times I get mistakes which I have to correct.? If you will see my post you will be able to know my post has a foot note (Last edit).? But I never make any material changes.? I am doing all thease things because I am interested in perfectness only.
6) When I use Marathi word in English language I make it Italic.

III. The path of my progress should be as under.
1) The reading of books should make my concept clear.
2) The clear concept must lead to build strong faith in my Sadhana साधना
3) Because of this faith my Sadhana must increase.
4) This increased Sadhana must increase the quality of my Sadhana.
5) And as a result, I should feel that I am acquiring more and more wisdom in my day to day life.

I am writing all these things because this attitude has helped me.

Namaskar to All. Best wishes to All
ShamBhagwat

[gargi]

Namaskar Mr Bhagwat,

I was reading your post regarding the conflicting information that comes from the subconscious mind ( ie negative imprints) and vishwaprarthana ( positive input from conscious mind) when we initially start prarthana. I am experiencing this in my sadhana now. Initially, I could not understand why my negative thougts were increasing when I first started prarthana- I had to try very hard and still do but your post made the theory very clear- thanks so much. I will do the prarthana with greater force when I encounter negative thoughts.

My grandfather gave me the analogy of an ant hill or a snake pit- when we poke it with a stick to destroy it the ants or snakes come out with greater force, same with our subconscious mind when we try to cleanse our conscious mind, the subconscious mind sends negative imprints with greater force since its not used to so much positive info.

Thanks again

Gargi

[shambhagwat]

My grandfather gave me the analogy of an ant hill or a snake pit- when we poke it with a stick to destroy it the ants or snakes come out with greater force, same with our subconscious mind when we try to cleanse our conscious mind , the subconscious mind sends negative imprints with greater force since its not used to so much positive info.

Namaskar Gargi,
Your grandfather has given perfect example which we can visualize.? This is because the example is in our day to day life.? The only difference is that,? the snake or ant react with anger.? But the sub-conscious mind has no business with anger.? But I have to think on the subject in more details as it is a example given by your grandfather.? I will write you on the subject in more details.

Namaskar to All, Best wishes to All
ShamBhagwat