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Author Topic: नामस्मरण करने आणि विश्वप्रार्थना म्हनने ë  (Read 1575 times)
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« on: July 28, 2008, 04:24:25 AM »

नमस्कार,

नामस्मरण करने आणि विश्वप्रार्थना म्हनने या दोन्हीतिल फरक काय किंवा  यातील पुण्य कोणत्या मार्गाने जास्त मिलते ?

God Bless All...

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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2008, 03:06:04 PM »

Namonamah,
Ajitjee Namaste,

Naamsmaran vs. VP is definitely an intriguing choice.

I have tried to, but not wholly understood the difference.

I am sending two links from within this forum which could give you the views of  a senior JV member Shree Subhashjee, and also those of a devoted and experienced saadhak Shree Shamjee who is not a JV member but who has thought deeply about VP.

http://www.jeevanvidya.org/forum/index.php/topic,224.0.html
http://www.jeevanvidya.org/forum/index.php/topic,232.0.html

Please continue this discussion with your own thoughts on the subject.

Please note that I am not a JV member and so my views are not as per JV.

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Milind Khadilkar
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2008, 03:46:48 PM »

Namonamah,
Ajitjee, one more link for your reference:
http://www.jeevanvidya.org/forum/index.php/topic,62.90.html

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Milind Khadilkar
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2008, 01:08:43 AM »

Many thanks Milindji,

I will go through this link in detail as this communication is big it will take some time to read and understand . Hope after reading it,  I will get my answer.

God Bless All,

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2008, 09:45:03 AM »

Dear Ajit,

Namaskar to you and all,

Naam smaran and prarthana both are to be done for the same purpose that is purification of conscious mind which later leads to purification of subconscious mind followed by elevation of subconscious mind and sublimation of conscious mind; merging of these 2 minds occurs which is called as divine mind. (This process is faster if sadhak surrenders himself to Satguru and does divy bodh and divy sadhana under his guidance.) Satguru has told several times in his pravachans that, initially he was advising everybody to do naam smaran for more than 30 years but he realized that most of the people felt bored to do naam smaran. But when he asked the people to do Vishva prarthana results (spiritual progress-acceptance of sadhana and desire to do it-experiences after doing VP ) were much better and faster. Hence as more benefits were received by sadhaks, they became enthusiastic in chanting vishvaprarthana.

   The cause of this could be that, chanting naam becomes quite monotonous job for many sadhaks and hence they lose the interest in chanting naam. Secondly one requires sadhana from earlier birth or lot of punya to chant naam say all saints. ?Bahut sukrutachi Jodi mhanuni vitthale avadi?- says Saint Tukaram while Saint Dnyaneshawar says, ?anant janmache tap ek naam? and also says that, ?nam he sulabh sarvatra durlabh virala jane.?

For ordinary sadhak it is very difficult to do continuous chanting of naam. On the other side Vishva prarthana has many beautiful thoughts hence mind does not get bored while doing this sadhana. Though both sadhanas are similar in their importance as a method of doing sadhana, and both are aimed at doing ?Ishwar smaran? we find that, Vishvaprarthana is more effective than naam sadhana in giving results. (accepted by more sadhaks and gives results in 6 months to most of the people.)
 
Following are the differences quoted by Shri Satguru in Jeevanvidya samaj-gairsamaj -pages 29-31.

   Naam sadhana is done for the progress of individual who is doing it while VP is aimed at welfare of all the people in the world-sagun form of Parmeshwar. Shri Satguru says that there is naam smaran in VP but no VP in naam.

When we are asking anything for others we become more eligible to receive that particular thing as per law of nature and this could be one of the reason why VP gives fast results.

   Naam smaran is mostly done to get moksha (to become free from cycle of birth-death) while VP is done for benefit of all. (Initially it may be done for the benefit of an individual who is doing it but later it changes for certain)

  As naam depends on religion and culture it may appear pertaining to particular religion and culture but VP has very broad perspective hence can be universally accepted.

   Naam smaran will alter the life of individual. VP can revolutionize or alter the whole mankind.

 Naam has image of God or Idol as a base. VP has the base of all pervading God-cosmic life force and laws of nature which are inherent in it.

 Sadhak easily forgets ?I and myself? while chanting VP while with naam smaran it is not so easy.

 Shri Satguru says that moksha (knowledge of all pervading self) runs after the person who does VP while naam sadhak runs after moksha.

  Hence Shri Satguru says that Naam is ?Mantra? while VP is ?Mahamantra.?

 For ordinary sadhak who cannot concentrate his mind on naam will receive more punya by chanting VP as explained earlier while for a sadhak who has developed habit of doing naam sadhana as a result of his punya and strenuous efforts in this and/or earlier births and his Satguru?s blessings , Naam sadhana will give him/her more punya.

  (Based on-Reference Jeevanvidya samaj-gair samaj-pgs-29 to 31 and also Sankalp siddhiche gupit-15-17)

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