Compartmental Bank Account

[mk]

Namonamah,

Varshajee's statement
QUOTE

What I think is PUNYA je magil janmi aapan sansarachya babtit kelele aste te ya janmi sansarasathi madat karte...je sampattik paristhiti sathi kelele aste te ya janmi paishachya rupane madtila yete..


UNQUOTE
in the thread
http://www.jeevanvidya.org/forum/index.php/topic,276.msg2258/topicseen.html#msg2258

opens a new line of thought:

According to JV, is our bank balance so compartmentalised?
Apart from others, I would appreciate the thoughts of Shri Subhashjee on this.

Personally, I do not feel it is so compartmentalised, but my feeling has no JV knowledge as basis.

Thanks and regards

Milind Khadilkar

[subhash]

MK and Varsha,

PUNYA is unmanifested reaction to a SATKARMA waiting for favourable circumstances. By consuming PUNYA we get SUKH. SUKH is in three forms - SHARIRACHI SOY, MANACHE SWASTHYA and ATMASUKH.

I had asked this Q to Satguru as to know whether there are different types of PUNYAs. But Satguru said there are only two categories - PUNYA and PAPA. PAPA manifestation results in DUKH and PUNYA manifestation results in SUKH. Satguru has further clarified in his lectures that for any kind of SUKH including money, you need PUNYA.

To conclude - there is no compartmentalization.

One more related clarification is action and reaction may not equal. Suppose somebody has hit a person once that person may hit back twice (reaction is multiplied and magnified). Same is true for a good action. Secondly, you may not receive this reaction from the same person. e.g. If you help somebody that person may not help you in return but since your action is on ChaitanyaShakti (CS) that CS will return the reaction (may be multiplied and magnified) in some form or other.

Bigger conclusion - Hence SATKARMA is very very very important.

God bless you and God Bless all.

[dr.nutanpol]

Dear Subhash dada,


I felt extremely happy to read your replies after very long time. I was eagerly waiting for this. Please continue to write and enlighten us by your knowledge. Thank you very much!



dr. nutan

[Geeta Datar]

Yes Subhash Dada we did miss your presence on the forum. Keep enlightening us whenever you get time.

God bless all with akhand VP.

Geeta Datar

[Varsha]

Thanks Milindji for opening this topic again..this topic is not fully clear to me too.I just guessed the answer to ur querry.

The logic was that a person who is very rich(that means he is consuming punya),enjoying all the fine things in life but doesn't have good family life.
Why the punya doesn't work for his personal problems?What I thought was he must be having  impressions of 'dushkarma' (that means 'paap') on his subconscious regarding his personal life,which r manifesting in his present life as a bad family life.

I have seen such person who is really well financially,hard working, very helpful to the society,has wonderful wife but has a mentally retarded son.His whole life he spent in worring n caring of that son.Then why Punya did not work on this side of his life?

I may be wrong in interpreting this..Subhashji please clarify.

[subhash]

Varsha,

First of all, let's all pray for the entire family of the person you know.

Attempting the answer: We accumulate PUNYA or PAPA as a response to our action. These get consumed today (we do not necessarily have a control over the withdrawal process as of today). It is ongoing activity and is happening without our apparent control.

The person who is suffering did receive his money and good natured wife before he had to face his mentally retarded son. So the good impressions ready for consumption at the earlier two instances were not available for him to be consumed at the time his son was born. Very unfortunate but true.

Hence, what is important is two things - Firstly, we are consuming loads of PUNYA to get favourable circumstances, conditions, environments, people, situations around us. We need a lot of PUNYA to be continuing to enjoy these things. Secondly, this consumption is an ongoing activity without our control at this point in time. JV however gives us a solution on both the points.

1. It allows us to continue correcting the top of the stack (constant intentional reshuffling based on SHUBHACHINTAN or thinking blissfully) to extract more PUNYA up the stack and possibly attract more PUNYA inside current PRARABHDA for consupmtion in near future.
2. It deposits new PUNYA impressions inside the stack
3. It pumps up PUNYA impressions deep below the stack towards top of the stack
4. It creates favourable circumstances outside to allow more PUNYA to manifest.
5. It changes our SANGATI to attract favourable people towards us.
6. No matter what was the stack position before we start, with continuous or consistent SHUBHACHINTAN, we can get on to the highroad of good situations

So the policy should be do continuously try to do SATKARMAs.

Hope your Q is answered.

God Bless You, God Bless All.

[Varsha]

Thank you so much Subhashji for explaining the core philosophy of 'Punya and Paap' from JV's point of view.
Example of stack cleared my doubt.

Milindji sorry I misguided you.I hope you got the answer to your Q.

May God bless you both and May God bless all.

[nitin paradkar]

As we save money in our bank, can we save punnya. GOD BLESS U

[subhash]

Nitin,

Good Q but answering with a different perspective:

Unmanifested reactions (impressions of KARMAs) get deposited in the DIVYA BANK automatically - depends on our KARMA whether it is auspicious or inauspicious which is called PUNYA or PAPA respectively. This deposit has been happening incessantly - every moment right from our first birth. So assuming that we had large number of births so far, we would have accumulated large number of PAPA and PUNYA impressions.

So simple answer to your Q is SAVING is there. Problem is how do we realize the benefit of it? How do we withdraw only PUNYA and keep PAPA inside the bank. This is important.

Hence we need to understand the process of consumption.

PUNYA deposited in the bank gets 'RIPE' at a favourable time or given a favourable opportunity. e.g. a 12th standard student is studying throughout the year. He is accumulating (SAVING) PUNYA. That will 'ripe' during his exams. If he does not give opportunity for it to ripe by not appearing for the exam then it will remain there as a dormant deposit. When he 'activates' it later after appearing for the exam (giving suitable opportunity for it to manifest) it will fructify.

Just as you can withdraw money from your bank, we can withdraw RIPE PUNYA impressions from the DIVINE BANK. Since there are large number of RIPE PUNYA impressions in the stack our problem then reduces to bringing these good impressions at the top of the stack for consumption.

Satguru guides us to achieve this by two means - one is SHUBHA-CHINTAN and second is SATSANGA. If we do habitual good thinking we will deposit good impressions in the stack and simultaneously reshuffle the stack to get more ripe good impressions up the stack. If we do it consistently enough we should be able to change the top of the stack in our favour and hence we get good destiny (Satguru says - Change your thoughts and change your destiny). Second is SATSANGA. Two things automatically happen when we go in SATSANGA - we create favourable circumstances for good impressions to manifest and we reshuffle the stack thus + we inherently tend to think good things when we are in the company of good people.

This theory can be experienced by anybody by chanting universal prayer at least 1000 times a day for six months. Satguru says "It may be a PRAYOG (experiment) for you, but in reality it is a YOG (connection with GOD)". Alternatively, Satguru has given another effective experiment as follows: When you meet someone, give something good - Give a smile, appreciation, good wish, thanks. From the time you get up till the time you go to bed, just say in your mind, "God bless him/her/them, God bless all" whenever you see any person. Experiment this in your balcony - you see all the people going on the road. Bless them for just half hour and see the mental peace you get. It is very powerful method of realizing the savings in Divine Bank.

To sum up, loads of SAVING is there, question is how should we realize it in our life and make self and others happy.

PS: While these savings are realized since you are depositing good impressions back again, good will happen to you time and time again and you will never become PUNYA bankrupt!

[shambhagwat]

I have seen such person who is really well financially,hard working, very helpful to the society,has wonderful wife but has a mentally retarded son.His whole life he spent in worring n caring of that son.Then why Punya did not work on this side of his life?

सुख अथवा दु:ख किंवा पाप अथवा पुण्य ह्या मानवनिर्मीत कल्पना आहेत.  परमेश्वराच्या दृष्टीकोनातून या सर्व कल्पनांना काहीही अर्थ नाही.  सद्‌गुरूंनी सुध्दा हे स्पष्ट केले असून त्यांनीही पाप अथवा पुण्य या संज्ञा नाईलाजाने वापरलेल्या आहेत. 

प्रत्यक्षात कर्ता, कर्म व कर्मफळ या तीनच महत्वाच्या गोष्टी असून त्यालाच जीवन असे म्हणतात.  यातील कर्ता व कर्म याबाबत आपण काही समजू शकलो तरी कर्मफळ या संज्ञेचे आकलन झटकन होऊ शकत नाही.  त्यासाठी पाप, पुण्य, दिव्य बँक, पुनर्जन्म या कल्पनांचा आधार घेऊन ही संज्ञा स्पष्ट करण्याचा प्रयत्न केला जातो.  मात्र आपण कर्मफळाचा सिध्दांत समजावून घेण्यासाठी ह्या कल्पनांची मदत घेतो आहे हे जर विसरले तर मात्र कर्मफळाच्या मूळ सिध्दांताकडे दुर्लक्ष होऊन त्याऐवजी या कल्पनांचाच कीस काढण्यात गुंतून बसतो.  प्रयोगशाळेत पाप, पुण्य, पुनर्जन्म या संज्ञा सिध्द करता येत नसल्यामुळे खूप जण वाद घालण्यात आपली शक्ती खर्च करतात तर काही जण या सर्व कल्पना म्हणजे अंधश्रध्दा आहे अशी हेटाळणी करून त्यापासून दूर जातात व पर्यायाने कर्मफळाचा मूळ सिध्दांतापर्यंत पोहोचूच शकत नाहीत.  जसे कर्म तसे कर्मफळ इतकेच तो परमेश्वर जाणतो बाकी काहीही नाही,  हे एकदा लक्षात आले म्हणजे वरील शंका निर्माण होऊ शकत नाहीत.  किंवा पाप पुण्याचे वेगवेगळे साठे असतात किंवा कसे असे प्रश्नही उपस्थित होत नाहीत.

सद्‌गुरूंनी हे स्पष्ट केले आहे की, आई वडिल मुलाला जन्म देतात असे जरी आपण समजत असलो तरी ते खरे नसून तो जीव त्याचे भोग भोगण्यासाठी जे स्थळ योग्य आहे त्या ठिकाणी जन्म घेतो.  हे एकदा लक्षात आले म्हणजे घडलेल्या घटनेला ते मूल, आई, वडिल वगैरे सर्वच जणांचे मागिल कर्म कारणीभूत आहे हे लक्षात येते व माणूस या गोष्टीचे खापर कशावरतरी फोडण्याचा अट्टाहास न करता तसेच दु:ख करण्यात वेळ न घालवता आलेल्या प्रसंगाला तोंड द्यायला शिकतो.  तसेच त्यातून काही चांगले निष्पन्न करण्याचा प्रयत्न करतो.  कर्मफळ स्विकारण्याचे हे तंत्र शिकणे म्हणजे शहाणपण होय.  हेच शहाणपण माणसाने मिळवावयाचे असते व त्याचा जीवनात अंगिकार करावयाचा असतो.  यासाठी पाप, पुण्य वगैरे संकल्पनांवरील चर्चेच्या सहाय्याने आपणाला कर्मफळाचा सिध्दांत शिकावयाचा आहे हे भान ठेवले पाहिजे.

सर्वांना नमस्कार, सर्वांना शुभेच्छा.

[mk]

नमोनमः
श्री शामजी, श्री सुभाषजी, डा. नूतनजी,

आपण सर्व जण फोरम वर पुनः सहभागी होऊन मार्गदर्शन करीत आहात त्याबद्दल धन्यवाद. Unfortunately, I have become too engrossed in the battle for my daily bread to avail of your guidance at this time.

श्री शामजी म्हणतातः
<अवतरण>
मात्र आपण कर्मफळाचा सिध्दांत समजावून घेण्यासाठी ह्या कल्पनांची मदत घेतो आहे हे जर विसरले तर मात्र कर्मफळाच्या मूळ सिध्दांताकडे दुर्लक्ष होऊन त्याऐवजी या कल्पनांचाच कीस काढण्यात गुंतून बसतो.
<अवतरण पूर्ण>

माझ्या मते या कल्पनांचा कीस काढण्यात गुंतून बसण्याचा एक लाभ असा की त्यामुळे आपण परमेश्वर आहे किंवा नाही या प्रश्नापर्यंत पोहोचतच नाही व आपणास थोडा तरी निवांतपणा लाभतो.

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[dharvatkar]

Namonamah,

Varshajee's statement
QUOTE

What I think is PUNYA je magil janmi aapan sansarachya babtit kelele aste te ya janmi sansarasathi madat karte...je sampattik paristhiti sathi kelele aste te ya janmi paishachya rupane madtila yete..


UNQUOTE
in the thread
http://www.jeevanvidya.org/forum/index.php/topic,276.msg2258/topicseen.html#msg2258

opens a new line of thought:

According to JV, is our bank balance so compartmentalised?
Apart from others, I would appreciate the thoughts of Shri Subhashjee on this.

Personally, I do not feel it is so compartmentalised, but my feeling has no JV knowledge as basis.

Thanks and regards

Milind Khadilkar

[dharvatkar]

Respected Seniors,

I am delighted to be in the company of so many learned people & hope to learn & only learn from you.

Can you be kind enough to let me know if Punya helps when it comes to earning money with few examples.

As far as my limited knowledge from Satgurus books goes PUNYA helps you in critical situations. How can this be corelated with earning money.

Kindly revert.

Regards
Mahendra Dharwatkar

[subhash]

Dharvatkar,

There are no seniors. Everybody is a student of JV.

You do not get anything free. Even for getting PAISA you need Punya. This has been narrated by Satguru in many of his lectures and is only logical.

As for Sham and MK discussions, guess the very existence of this forum is for seeking knowledge. Keep discussing with pure intention of seeking and spreading knowledge that makes all happier.

Best regards,
Subhash

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskar Shri. Dharawatkar,

Welcome to Jeevanvidya forum. Please continue to ask your queries. Please let us know whether you are anugrahit of Shri Satguru Vamanrao Pai. Non anugrahits are also welcome on this forum but to understand Jeevanvidya sadhak should read Shri Satguru's books, listen to Shri Satguru's pravachans and do the Swanand courses part 1 and 2. Because all this helps in better understanding of Jeevanvidya and it helps in discussion of JV on various topics. You might know that Shri Satguru?s pravachan is being broadcasted on Sahyadri channel every Sunday at 8.00 A. M. and also on internet radio channel eprasaran.com.

When we say puny is required to earn money, it is taken for granted that means of earning money is by doing the work that is beneficiary to the society. If want to do any job- service or business punya is required. Puny is required to get cooperation from the people. Puny is required to get good boss or good trustworthy employees. Puny is required to fulfill any desire. Daily we are consuming punya and there is dire necessity to earn puny daily. Hence Shri. Satguru says do not leave single opportunity to earn puny. Grateful heart is close to cosmic life force-God and it causes countless blessings to flow towards it. Hence if we are grateful to the all the people help who help in our job then we receive more and more cooperation from all of them. Appreciation and feeling of gratitude for all those who help is also puny.

Definition of punya put forward by Jeevanvidya is different than what we hear since our childhood. Please read Paap-Punya samaj-gairsamaj to know about it. To know about role of Divine bank in puny, please read "Tumache bhagy tumachya vicharat" or "Your destiny in your thoughts", to know about the mind, please read, chapter- "Shankar mhanato tathastu" from "Amrut Manthan."   

May God bless all!