How do we know the karma we do is past karma or new karma.....!

[omkar]

Hello
   I am bit confused Please resolve it. If something good/bad happens we say that it is past karma's. Please let me know how should we know/decide which karma is new or old?

also please let me know if we consume bad/good karma then while consuming weather we create good/bad karma?

Thanks    
Omkar 

       

[mk]

Namonamah,

Omkarjee Namaste.

I am more confused on this than you are!

I had raised the issue in a slightly different form on another thread.
http://www.jeevanvidya.org/forum/index.php/topic,276.0.html

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The problem with all this is that JV offers no way of knowing beforehand what amount of Punya/ Paap you have in your bank account.

Saying later that "if something bad happens it must be because the person was bankrupt" is bad prophesy and bad philosophy. JV can say this only if it offers a knowledge of one's bank balance and allows a choice of using it: for example, if one knows his stock of punya, instead of spending it for a good spouse, he might spend it on expanding business. And if he knows he is bankrupt as far as Punya balance is concerned, he may choose to postpone the choice of spouse.

Not letting a person know his/her bank balance and then using that unknown balance to explain whatever happens is no different from what a kundli reader/ jyotishi provides as explanation for a wrong prediction. And accepting such explanations is no less than pure andhashraddhaa.

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I have received replies, but I am still confused. Please note that I am not a JV member and so are not well-versed with the philosophy.

I am afraid the best solution (in JV terms) to this is gaining divya bodh, which will drive away all confusion.

Please take help from senior JV practitioners as Meenajee has advised in response to my query.

Thanks and regards

Milind Khadilkar

[omkar]

Hello
  Milindjee thanks for your reply
  I am still little bit confused, I am also not a JV member like you.
  Hope somebody will resolve my confusion

Thanks
Omkar   

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskaar Omkar and all,

It is not clear from your mail what is meant by old and new karmas. Do you mean to say that old karmas are, the karmas done in past birth? 

  Sometimes it is obvious that reaction that we face is the result of action done in the past birth. Congenitally (from birth) if anybody has any disease or malfunction of any organ then it is clear that it is the result of karmas in past birth. Shri Satguru has mentioned in many books that we do not take birth by our choice or by our parent's choice but it is the result of our and our parent's paap-puny account that relation is formed. So the environment in which we take birth depends on our paap puny account of previous birth but God has gifted all of us a body with 5 karmendriyas and 5 dnyanendriyas which have astonishing power. Buddhi in particular has amazing power gifted to human mankind. By handling buddhi properly man can become Narayan say all saints.

When any action is done, it is recorded in subconscious mind and thus many layers of actions are recorded one after another. Shri Satguru says, "Jaaniveche thar ekavar var ek sathat jataat. Apan jevha particular smrutiche button press karto tevha apyala athavat jate." Layers of consciousness are deposited one after another and when we press the button of particular memory- for example school memory, college stories etc. we remember things related to that memory. But this does not apply to memories of past birth. There is curtain in between 2 births. Shri Satguru says that God has made good arrangement by putting curtain otherwise there would be chaos in this world. If person knows about husband-wife and children, of last birth then this would create confusion in everybody's life.

  Please do not mind if I ask you to consider thinking that, rather than worrying about old and new karmas it would be better if we could concentrate our mind on the goal, duties that we have to perform in this birth and work for our material and spiritual progress. I advise you to read book written by Shri Satguru named, "Jeevanvidyecha Mangal Kalash" This book is in question-answer format and you will find answers to many questions on various topics like God, Dharm-Sanskruti-Niyati, Paramarth, Rebirth, Satguru and sadhana, Namsmaran, Importance of mind, Jeevanvidya etc. 

May God bless all!

[omkar]

Hello Nutan Pol

    Thanks for your detailed reply, it made several  things clear,
 
      can we say that the consumption of karma's [good/bad] is not in our hands eg  If a person is by birth disabled or is born in poor house is the effect of his karma's of past life's? If yes

     So please let me know if the same person can cure his disability by birth by efforts/good thoughts/deeds or is it not possible because the effects of his karma's are so bad that he has to consume it on his body 

 
Thanks again for your reply
Omkar
"Effortless Namsmaran"
God bless all with continuous sadguru Krupa
 

[mk]

Namonamah,
Thanks everyone!

I suppose the karma in "karmanyevaadhikaraste...." is not the karma being discussed here. What we are saying here is "karmani api na adhikaarah asti"
Or is it the other way round?

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskar to Omkar and all,

It would have been better and you would have got details of divine bank, if you would have read, "Your destiny in your thoughts" or ?Tumache bhagy tumachya vicharat?

   Subhash dada has repetitively told us that, there are piles of recorded actions present in our subconscious mind. By doing thinking either positive or negative thinking we give cheque to our subconscious mind and withdraw either effect of positive action which is happiness and suitable condition or if we do negative thinking like worrying, have fear that, something bad may happen then we invite bad destiny for ourselves.

Hence it is said that, God has nothing to do with problems in our life. Whatever we do, think, fear,  hope and wish the same thing happens in our life. Our subconscious mind is very mighty and has solutions to all our problems.

So if we keep doing satkarmas and have total belief that, my unfavorable condition which is present since childhood will improve, it will definitely improve.

(Please read the free E-book, Power of Subconscious mind form website- www.livethepower.com. by Dr Joseph Murphey

May God bless all!

[omkar]

May god bless all with continuous sadguru krupa & Effortless Namsmaran
Hello Dr Nutan pol & all
 
   Thanks for your reply. I have read the book while reading your earliar post on this forum

   Thanks for that also

    Omkar
   "Effortless Namsmaran" 

_{May god bless all with continuous sadguru krupa & Effortless Namsmaran}

[dr.nutanpol]

 Namaskar to MK and all,

"Karmanyev adhikaraste ma phaleshu kadachan"  is true normally. JV says that sadhak can modify phal-reaction of karma. JV has put forward siddhants of inter-action regarding karma.

 Sadhak can put interaction between action and reaction. The interaction can dilute the intensity of reaction or it can stop the reaction. The interaction can be of many times and will depend on the action and situation. Wisdom is required to know which type of interaction is required. If if we hurt anybody knowingly or unknowingly and then after this if we apologize the concerned person from the bottom of our heart then this act will dilute reaction. If we do certain things which will please that person then this act may pacify the person and will cause further minimization of intensity of reaction by the person.

Another way of putting interaction is doing VP or namsmaran.The classical example of interaction is Saint Valmiki.  Doing namsmaran can stop the reaction to materialize.

  The mechanism of action of interaction of namsmaran and VP is as follows.

 As said earlier mind withdraws puny or pap-condition of happiness or pain by giving cheque of chintan to Subconsc mind. If mind remains in the state of shubh chintan then it will not have to face any sorrowful condition. Easier way of doing shubh chintan is chanting VP or namsmaran is the other alternative.

 If we want to stay in a state where no reaction would have to be faced then, we have to achieve state of divine consciousness. This can be achieved only if we surrender ourselves to Shri Satguru and do sadhana under his direct guidance.


One more point regarding karma is sangati affects the karmas which we do. Jasa sang tasa jeevanala rang-says JV.  We remain in external satsang  of books, cds of pravachans and satsang of people who do namsmaran and VP then we will develop interest in doing all this, similarly if we chant VP or nam then we will get internal satsang and both satsangs help in keeping mind in shubh chintan and state of positivity.

Thus karma is not devadhin- does not depend on God or it is not daivadhin; it does not depend our destiny-karmas done in the past but it is prayatnadhin. It depends on our efforts and our actions. Hence Shri Satguru says, Tuch ahes tuzya jeevanacha shilpkar. You are the architect of your destiny. As you think so you will become and this is according to the the law of nature.

Please read  the books written by Shri Satguru, paap-puny samaj-gair samaj and Your destiny in your thoughts.

May God bless all!

[omkar]

May god bless all with continuous sadguru krupa & Effortless Namsmaran


Hello all
what do you say about various stotras & spiritual books [  like Shri Guru Charitr etc] specified for for particular work/earning punya?

Thanks & Regards

Omkar
"Effortless Namsmaran"

[dr.nutanpol]

  Namaskaar to Omkar and all,

According to JV,  to earn puny or to  fulfill desire rituals are unnecessary. Shri Satguru tells us that , ?No need to do karmkand, do karmchang.?

     If we do auspicious thinking-thinking good about others, auspicious actions-talk good things about others, help others as per our capacity, do activities which are beneficial to the society, do our deputed work sincerely with love and by using all our power and skill, always try to fulfill all our responsibilities, have gratitude for all those who help us and always have positive thinking about others and ourselves and behave in harmony with laws of nature then we will be blessed by all. We will be blessed by our parents, family-relatives, society, atmdev, all deities and Shri Satguru. 

       Therefore Jeevanvidya says that there is no need to chant any stotra for our own benefit but instead chant Vishvaprarthana for everybody whenever you are mentally free and behave as said earlier and all your wishes will be fulfilled for sure. Most of the sadhaks have experienced that their wishes got fulfilled within six months after chanting vishvaprathana in the free time. The duration of the period required for accomplishment  of desire depends on the intensity of praying and amount of puny a sadhak has in his divine bank which is present in his own subconscious mind.

?Jeevanvidyecha Mangal Kalash? has answers to all such questions.

May everybody be blessed with Shri Satguru krupa! May everybody chant VP relentlessly!

[omkar]

May god bless all with continuous sadguru krupa & Effortless Namsmaran

Hello Dr Nutan Pol & all

   Thanks for your reply
   Omkar
"Effortless Namsmaran"

May sadguru bless all with continuous sadguru krupa & Effortless Namsmaran