Vishvaprarthana-

[dr.nutanpol]

Dear Gargi namaskar,

I like your desire of understanding JV. Regarding negative words in other prayers, nice explanation is given by Varsha. I totally agree with it. The other post by Varsha explaining all the  points mentioned by you is also very nice. Varsha you are doing very good job. Keep it up!

Please read Chapter-Shankar Mhanato Tathastu from Amrut Manthan. Conscious mind has decisive, reasoning and analytical power. Though Subconscious mind has immense power (Kartum akartum shakti, kalptaru-chintamani), It does not have such powers. Subconscious mind is like soil which gives crop in multiplied proportion immaterial of whatever is sown in it. As it lacks reasoning power, it is unaware about the effects of the reaction. Whatever is deposited in Subconscious Mind it gives reaction to it by materializing that particular desire or thought in life. Therefore we have to be extremely choosy while chanting prayer.

Whatever is thought again and again goes to deeper levels of Subconscious Mind and then materializes in life and this is the law of subconscious mind. (As you think so you become!)

*1 - totally agree with you that, if we chant VP from bottom of the heart  then we will receive better results than chanting without paying much attention to its meaning.
But praying in such manner may not possible with all to start with. Once we start praying gradually it starts coming from the bottom of the heart. Naam and VP are effective even if we say it without paying attention to its meaning. Hence all saints including Shri Satguru say that, "Yeil taisa bol Ram Krishn Hari."

Once you start chanting VP, people get very good experiences and also get anand while praying. Therefore many naamdharaks try to pray VP relentlessly. There are few naamdharaks in whose mind VP chanting is done automatically by Subconscious Mind. Their routine activities are not disturbed by relentless VP. Such unconscious chanting of VP starts when it enters in Subconsc. Mind.

 Do not you think how many times one wants to do VP and where he/she wants to do VP is matter of an individual choice.

As we start chanting VP, gradually we develop interest in chanting and then we start chanting it whole heartedly in solitude. Many people do that, but do not discuss it with others. When Shri Satguru gives Divy Bodh and Divy Sadhana, naamdharaks develop more interest in doing sadhana in solitude.
 
 
* 2  Your point regarding other prayers is right but we avoid chanting negative words for the reason given earlier. In your sentence also dusht shabd exists. Therefore is it not more right to say sarvana changli buddhi de.

 Please note that JV does not disrespect prayers formed by ancient sages or saints. We do not say that these prayers are bad or do not have importance. What Shri Satguru wishes to say that, prayer which is to be chanted regularly should not have any negative words for the reasons mentioned earlier.

Thousands of people are benefited by VP. They had many experiences. VP is full of all positive thoughts.
  All the prayers mentioned by you are great no doubt about it. It is question of negative words only.

* 3 Shri Satguru always says that, he is very proud and feels blessed that he is borne as Hindu. He says that Hindu religion is very scientific. Hindu religion means Hindu philosophy which is found in Geeta, ved, upnishads and literature written by saints.

VP can be a very good substitute for naam smaran. It is to be chanted like mantra. Hence the caution is required in choosing words. If you understand the science of subconscious mind you will understand the importance of choosing all positive words. You try to read Shanti Sukhacha Rajmarg which is posted by me on the forum and part of Sharir Sakshat Parameshwar is also present on the forum. Also read Sankalp Siddhiche Gupit to understand meaning of VP.

Amrut Manthan is very useful in understanding the function of mind.

If you read books written by Shri Satguru then your concepts of JV philosophy will be more clear to you.  You are an intelligent educated girl who knows her mind and expresses her views very nicely. I am sure if you study JV philosophy you will like it.

May God bless all!

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskar Omkar,

Shri Satguru tells all naamdharaks that they can add special sentence to VP as per their need. This special sentence is to be chanted after completion of VP. This has worked for many who did not have any children or for those who wanted to be married soon or wanted to be promoted in their job etc. Your suggestion is good if there is feeling of guilt or if we are not able to forgive somebody then it is good sentence to add to VP. Very nice suggestion!


May God bless all!

[Gargi Pandit]

नमस्कार मिलींदजी,
तुम्हाला जो प्रश्न पडलाय तोच तर मला सतत पडतोय..
आणि त्याचीच उत्तरे इथे मिळतात का ते मी शोधते आहे.

मला मान्य आहे की मी हजार प्रार्थना नसेन म्हणत, हरिपाठ म्हणत नसेन..
पण इतर प्रार्थना नियमीत करते.
मी संस्कृत शिकले आहे आणि ते मला उतम समजते. त्यामुळे मी करत असलेल्या प्रार्थनेचा अर्थ ही मला समजतो.
१००० नाही पण दिवसातून पूजेच्या वेळी VP आणि पसायदान ही म्हणते.
वडीलधार्‍या व्यक्तींचा आदर करते. मला कोणतेही व्यसन नाही आणि 'प्रयत्न हाच परमेश्वर' ह्यावर माझी अढळ निष्ठा आहे.
Positive Thinking ने म्रुत्युवर ही मात करणारी माणसे मी माझ्याच कुटुंबात पाहिलेली आहेत तेव्हा चांगल्या विचारांची ताकत मला माहीत आहे.
सर्व जग सुखी करणे माझ्या एकटीच्या हातात नसले तरी कृतीमधून ते अधिक चांगले करण्याचा प्रयत्नही करते.
समाजाच्या प्रती असलेली  क्रुतद्न्यता मी वेळोवेळी यथा मती, यथा शक्ति व्यक्त करते.
इथे मी मुद्दाम नमूद करते की मी अमृतमंथन शाळेमधे असतानाच वाचले आहे 
( कारण अध्यात्म   ही  Post-retirement करण्याची गोष्ट नाही हे माझ्या पालकांचे मत!)
आता मी अमृतमंथन परत वाचत आहे कारण वयपरत्वे माझा दृष्टिकोन बदलला असणार, गोष्टी मला अजुन नीट समजणार हे मलाही कळते आहे.
मग अशावेळी मी जी जीवनविद्या जगते ते महत्वाचे की माझ्यावर 'नामधारक' असण्याचा शिक्का असणे महत्वाचे?? 

मला हिंदू असण्याचा अभिमान आहे याचे मुख्य कारणच मुळी त्यातील सहिष्णूतेचे तत्व आहे.
त्याच धर्तीवर जे नामधारक नाहीत, पण आयुष्य जीवन विद्येच्या तत्वानुसार जगतात त्यांच्या प्रती सहिष्णुता दाखवण्याबद्दल जीवन विद्या काही शिकवते का?
हा प्रश्न मुद्दाम विचारण्याचे  कारण, मला मंदिरात जाऊन दर्शन घ्यावेसे वाटले तर 'आम्हाला सदगुरूनी सांगितले आहे, देवबिव काही त्या गर्दीत नसतो' असे बोलून घ्यावे लागले आहे..
देव तिथे असेल किवा नसेल पण माझी जर श्रदधा असेल तर त्याप्रती आदर दाखवण्याचा उपदेश जीवनविद्या कसा आणि कुठे करते ते मला जाणून घ्यायचे आहे.

वर्षा ताई, नूतन जी तुम्ही मला जीवन विद्या समजायला जी मदत करत आहात त्याबद्दल मनापासून धन्यवाद.
माझ्या याही शंकांचे निरसन तुम्ही  करावे ही नम्र विनंती.
 
आपली नम्र,
गार्गी

[omkar]

Hello All Thanks All

1st I am sorry for double post I just use separate post because I thought slightly diffrant discussion was going on here
1] About Gargi's query I am not a JV expert/member/follower but I try to answer it
As much I understand JV, JV is not separate philosophy but Its method of living in coordination with laws of nature.
We are already living with laws of nature but in JV we make a willfull choice to live with laws of nature
Its also true that we make choice not to break laws of nature!!
2] As par your explanation you are doing sadhna @ your personal level JV tries to do it for all "Savanna"

Thanks all Thanks all JV members Thank You

Omkar
"May everybody blessed with Akhand Sadgurukrupa & Effortless Namsmaran"



 

[Geeta Datar]

Dear Gargi

Vitthal Vitthal

Jeevanvidya is art of harmonious living. If you think you are practising jeevanvidya principles in your daily life and experiencing harmonious living you do not have to rush to be a namdharak till you are 100%convinced. Take your own time to read all Sadguru books, Listen to all his pravachans and if you get a chance to meet him personally clear all your doubts. Sadguru had never forced his own family members to accept his philosophy.

But once you are convinced of this philosophy then becoming a naamdharak will help you in your further progress.

Also remember all students of Jeevanvidya do not necessarily represent Sadguru and his knowledge. Learning should be done through proper sources.

I wish you all the best in your learning.

God bless

Geeta Datar


 

[dr.nutanpol]

Dear Gargi namaskar,

You take an appointment from JV head office and meet Shri Satguru on one of the Friday. You can discuss your problem with him. If you want your in laws to be convinced then he can call them and do that or if you want your meeting to remain confidential and wish to get an advice on what you should do to tackle the problem then he will can give advice accordingly. I think that, because your in laws want you to be anugrahit; it is causing mental stress to you but please remember that taking anugrah is not all compulsory for you. It will be better for you try to know JV philosophy in order to know them better. It will help you in your life also. Be diplomatic to handle this delicate problem.   


May God bless all!

[shambhagwat]

The point regarding negative words in other prayers is discussed in details in Basic Course of JV. Swanand Yoga Part- One in the session on -

Sudarshan Chakra Jeevanvidyeche.

Shri Satguru has seen the course and has approved the material which is taught in these courses. 

सर्वांना नमस्कार,

नमस्कार डॉ. नूतन पोळ,

ज्या चर्चेचा तुम्ही उल्लेख करता आहात ती नक्की केव्हा झाली?  एप्रील २००८ च्या अगोदर अथवा नंतर हे स्पष्ट कराल का?  या उत्तरावर बरेच काही अवलंबून आहे.

सर्वांना नमस्कार, सर्वांना शुभेच्छा. 

[dr.nutanpol]

श्री शाम भागवत नमस्कार,

मी आपणास उत्तर दिलेल्या आधीच्या पोस्ट मध्ये चर्चेविषयी लिहिलेले नसून जीवनविद्या मिशन प्रणित जो प्राथमिक अभ्यासक्रम घेतला जातो त्यातल्या ७ व्या आणि शेवटच्या भागात "सुदर्शन चक्र जीवनविद्येचे हे प्रकरण" सादर केले जाते. त्याविषयी लिहिले आहे. सदर अभ्यासक्रम निश्चितच एप्रिल २००८ पुर्वी तयार करण्यात आला आहे. कारण माझ्या माहितीप्रमाणे ३ वर्षांपेक्षा जास्त काळ सदर अभ्यास क्रमास झाला आहे. अभ्यास क्रमात निरनिराळ्या स्लाईडस वर आधारित विषय समजावून सांगितला जातो.

हा अभ्यास क्रम श्री सदगुरूंचे सुपुत्र श्री प्रल्हाद पै यांनी तयार केला असून तो जीवनविद्येच्या तत्त्वज्ञानावर आधारित आहे.  प्रल्हाद दादा, त्यांच्या पत्नी सौ. मीलन ताई तसेच अनेक फॅकल्टी मेंबर, प्रवचनकार यांच्या चिंतनातून त्याला सुरेख आकार प्राप्त झाला आहे. त्यात जीवनविद्येचे अनेक सिध्दांत खुप वेगळ्या प्रकारे पटवून दिले आहेत. श्री. सदगुरूंचे ग्रंथ बऱ्याच वेळा वाचल्यावरही जे सिध्दांत उमजत नाहीत ते सिध्दांत हा कोर्स केल्यावर आपल्याला उमजतात. जीवनविद्येच्या  वनविद्येच्या तत्त्वज्ञानाचे अनेक पैलू जे ग्रंथ वाचून आपल्या लक्षात येत नाहीत ते अभ्यासक्रम केल्यावर व्यवस्थित समजतात.

 "Visualization" विषयी डॉ. मर्फींचे उदगार अमृत मंथन मध्ये आहेत. पण "Visualization Technique" श्री सदगुरूंच्या कोणत्याही ग्रंथात समजावून सांगितलेले नाही. ते "मन करा रे प्रसन्न" या प्रकरणात समजावून सांगितले जाते. तसेच "स्वयंसुचना अभ्यास" या विषयी फक्त अभ्यास वर्गात शिकवले जाते. इतरही साधना भाग २ मध्ये शिकविल्या जातात. त्यांचा कोणत्याही ग्रंथांत उल्लेख नाही. श्री. सदगुरूंच्या काही विषयांवरील विचारांचा कोणत्यात ग्रंथांत उल्लेख नाही पण प्रवचनातून श्री. सदगुरूंनी ते विषय हाताळले आहेत. एप्रिल २००८ ला "संकल्प सिध्दीचे गुपित" हा विश्वप्रार्थनेवरील ग्रंथ प्रकाशित झाला पण त्यात इतर प्रार्थनेवर श्री. सदगुरूंनी जे विचार प्रकाशित केले आहेत त्यात मी आधी उल्लेख केलेले इतर प्रार्थनांविषयीचे विचार नाहीत याची जाणीव आहे पण याविषयी स्पष्टीकरण करण्यास मी असमर्थ आहे.

 प्राथमिक अभ्यासक्रम हिंदीत करण्याचे ठरल्यावर त्यांच्या भाषांतरित स्लाईडस करण्याचे काम वंदनाताई बेल्हे व मी केले आणि त्यानिमित्ताने ह्या स्लाईडस व आधी उल्लेख केलेली इतर प्रार्थना विषयींची स्लाईड माझ्याकडे आहे पण श्री प्रल्हाद दादांच्या अनुमतीशिवाय त्या कोणालाही दाखवता येणार नाहीत. ज्यांनी प्राथमिक अभ्यासक्रम केला असेल त्या सर्वांनी त्या पाहिल्या असतीलच. आपणही प्राथमिक अभ्यास क्रम करून त्या पाहू शकता.

जीवनविद्येचा प्राथमिक अभ्यासक्रम श्री सदगुरूंनी पाहिला आहे व त्यांना तो अतिशय आवडला आहे. हे  अभ्यासक्रम सर्वांनी जरूर करावेत. ते केल्यावर तुम्हाला जीवनविद्या व्यवस्थित आणि कमी वेळात समजेल. अशी शिफारस श्री सदगुरू आपल्या प्रवचनाच्या वेळेस नेहमी करीत असतात.
 
May God bless all!

[shambhagwat]

सर्वांना नमस्कार,

नमस्कार डॉ. नूतन पोळ,

तुम्ही दिलेले उत्तर माझ्या अपेक्षेनुसार होते.  मी त्यावर माझे विचार उद्यापर्यंत मांडायचा प्रयत्न करेन.

सर्वांना नमस्कार, सर्वांना शुभेच्छा.

[Gargi Pandit]

Namskar Geetatai,

Thanks for your kind words. I do know that not all students of Satguru are the same.
Udadamaji kale-gore he asayachech. But again you believe what you see! And I am still trying to ignore what I am seeing hence all this ?khatatop?.
One thing I do agree that few naamdharaks in whose mind VP chanting is done automatically by Subconscious Mind. It can be done by anybody, sometimes we hear something on radio in the morning and keep humming it whole day. But what is important it , if its my Subconscious mind at work then I cant be using counter and count it, can I??

Dear Nutanji,

Thanks for understanding my dilemma.
Every girl has tremendous stress of getting married in the new family and I have it doubled up.
What is more difficult is to discuss it with anybody around.
My new family is in JV for past 30 years and very close to Satguru.
Even if I go and meet Satguru confidentially, I can?t help but hurt Satguru.
He will be positively hurt if he will see what people practising JV for 30 years have studied from it.
You too said the matter is very delicate and I have to  take care of relations, reputations and emotions as well.
What makes my position more difficult is the other daughter-in-laws in the house have accepted JV without a question!
Then who do I think I am to ask any!!!
I was told that ?Anugrah? is mere formality and I don?t need to do anything special after that. And here we go again.
And this is what actually happening. People who are almost born in JV behave so drastically opposite to JV principles.
Bharlya tatawar annala nawe thewane, Aai-Vadilanshi uddhatpane bolane, Upasane chya nantar ekmekanchya kuchalakya karane, Swanand shibirawarun yewun khanyache Menu discuss karane , JVM ne niyukta kelelya Guruna ch nawe thewane..
All this does not make very bright picture does it??
Pan tarihi Mahapurushancha parabhav tyanche anuyayich karat asatat ani tyanche virodhak tyana mothe karat asatat he shaletalya dhadyatil wakya mazya dokyat ajun fit basale ahe.
Mazyawaril sanskar mala mazya manachi kawade band karu det nahit mhanu ch me hya saglaya najuk ghondhalatun marg shodhate ahe jyane sagalyanchech man farase dukhawanar nahi.

Punha ekada me majha junach prashna repeat karate karan mala tyache utter konich det nahi ahe..

जे नामधारक नाहीत, पण आयुष्य जीवन विद्येच्या तत्वानुसार जगतात त्यांच्या प्रती सहिष्णुता दाखवण्याबद्दल जीवन विद्या काही शिकवते का?
माझी जर श्रदधा असेल तर त्याप्रती आदर दाखवण्याचा उपदेश जीवनविद्या कसा आणि कुठे करते?

P.S. Me kamanimmit satat Bharatabaher asate. Tyamule Satgurunchi Pravachane, Shibire etc attend karu shakat nahi. Pan Pustake ani CDs matra mazyakade ahet.


Prayers,
Gargi.

[Geeta Datar]

Hello Gargi

Namaskar and Vitthal Vitthal

Every problem has a solution when we take efforts in right direction. If it was my problem I would have tackled it this way.

1) Meeting sadguru in person and getting rid of all doubts because I know that success of any relationship is trust and respect and not doubt. Now your question was how to hurt Sadguru and your family? You know Gargi according to the laws of mind our thoughts reach faster than our actual actions, in that case your thoughts have already reached all people concerned. If you want your relationship on right footing meeting Sadguru is the best option.


2) In every person there is good and bad. nobody is 100% bad or 100% good. According to Jeevanvidya shubha chintan brings out good side of the person. If I had already married in the family who ridiculed my faith I would have done tremendous shubha chintan to experience good side of these people and had avoided thinking bad side of them. Here you need tremendous faith in your shubhachintan to bring about good results. SHRADDHA AND SABURI.

Since you are not married in the family yet you still have first option to correct the situation before it takes ugly shape.

I wish you best of luck .

Geeta Datar

[mk]

Namonamah
Gargijee_Pandit, Namaste.

I am sorry that this post of mine is not about your problem, but about your observations about JV followers. I have been on this forum for more than a year and a half and always wondered about the fact that amongst the people regularly associated with me there are people who follow almost every well-known faith or sampradaay, and there are those who call themselves agnostics and others who call themselves atheist ("By God, I am an atheist"!!: from an old MAD magazine issue) . Except for JV. Most of them knew of JV, others know of it now because I asked them about it. But there is no single official follower of JV, as far as I know.

But by and large, I cannot say that they are not living JV.

Sorry for the digression. The topic is still "what should you do to manage your situation well?". I think the real JV answer should be "Decide what you feel is right, since YOU HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE IT TURN OUT RIGHT". Should be. But is it?

Best wishes
Milind Khadilkar

[Deepak_jvm]

Dear Gargijee Pandit,

Namaskar and welcome to JV forum. Dear Gargijee and all, Please do not consider my post as an intervention.

Namskar Varshatai,

Thanks for your words of encouragement.

I would like to discuss this topic further.

1.Yes, I know Namdharaks are supposed to chat VP for 1000 times a day from the bottom of the heart. Isn?t the bottom of the heart is very essential in that case? I have heard people telling me we keep chanting VP ?Ahoratra?.
One gentleman boasted once that while watching a drama on stage he has completed 3000 VPs. What is it? Some kind of race for  World Record?
JV also says that you don?t need to sit at place and do it. You can do it anywhere, anytime. I can understand that lack of rules is for making upasana easy to do. But by making it too easy , isn?t it loosing its actual ?Uddesh??  Aplyashi phone war bolatana sudha jar samorcha manus anakhi char goshti karat ahe asa apalyala watala ter aplyala rag yeto ani ithe na disanarya, na bolnarya Ishwarane matra apli hi sarmisal samajun ghyawi hi apeksha?
(to ti samajun hi gheil karan to manus nahi, ?Paremshawr? ahe! Pan aplyakade swatasathi, devasathi 10 min shant basayala wel nasawa kiwa apali tevadhihi tayari nasawi hi apali shokantika nahi ka?)
Karan mulat meditation kiwa ?dhyan? hi shant chittane karnyachi goshta nahi ka? 10 min kara, 5 min kara pan tewha fakta ?Ishwar Chintant? kara asa je apale purvaj ani agdi attach? suddha abhyasak sangatat te purnataha chook manayacha ka?

2. Dusra mudda ?Dushtancha Dushtapana jawude?hyavishayi. Hya vakyat Dushta and Dushtapan he don negative shabda ahet he agadi barobar.. Pan jar tyachech ?Dushtana satbuddhi De? he rupanter kele ki te positive hoilch na.

Ani mudda, Shlokanmadhalya ani Pasaydanamadhlya tathakathit negative shabdancha ahe.
Sanskirt shlokancha mothepana, tyatil shabdanchya vibrations cha mahatwa hya mage khup abhyas ahe ani to hi anek shatakancha..
Kalachya kasotiwar je khare utarale ani apli ?takat? siddha karu shakale tech grantha ajun hi apan abhyasat ahot.
Gyatri, Pranav, Omkar hyanmage shastriya abhays ahet, ti kahi ta la ta jodun keleli kawane nahit.  Ajahi shlokanchya awartananche results milatat, Smaranshakti tallakha karnvadhavanyasathi Sanskrit Shlok path karawun ghetale jatat(sanskrut samajale nahi teri hi!) ani tyacha hi uttam fal milata ha maza swanubhav ahe.
Ata Pasaydana baddal;Me swataha geli 24 warsha Pasaydan mhanate ahe ani tyatil prarthanechi takat hi anubhawate ahe. Aaj war ekdahi asa ghadalela nahi ki Pasayadanatale bav mazya hridyaparyant pohachun angawar romach ubhe rahile nahit. Me kai magte ahe he mala mahit asate ani tyach brobar Dev te eikato hi ahe hi bhavana mala hot asate. Ti bhavanach itaki positive ahe ki tyachya vibrations aplya shariratun lahirinsarkhya uthat rahatat.

Mala VP madhil vicharanabaddal adarach ahe  ani amhi Namdharak nahi teri hi warshanuwarsh ti amchya ghari mhaatali hi jate.
Pan tyacha mothepana sanganyasathi junya shlokana ?chotepan? anale jawu naye ewhadhich apeksha

3. Now about my statement
Our country is known as ?Nagancha desh? in western world. They think we are weird people worshipping Cobras, stones, oceans and all.
I am sorry I failed to mention that I don?t find it weird at all and I am very proud to be Indian and being part of our culture.
Whenever I go out of India, people do ask me about our religion, culture, tradition and even rituals, I try to make them understand the philosophy behind these things. I myself started to study these in more depth when I realised I represent my religion and my culture so I should watch what I speak and must speak after enough study only. I come from the family who respect traditions but not the rituals. We don?t believe in cutting branches of Banyan tree and worshipping it on Vatpaurnima. We believe that tree is made God so that at least after that people will look after it. So what is point in harming it by breaking the branches? 
Shewati,
Me wachaleya pustakatil ek manawar thasalela wakya ithe sangu icchite
?Kuthalihi goshta andhanukaranane karu naka, Ani niyam kitihi june asale teri abhaysane, anubhavane  te tadun pahilya shiway anusaru naka.Karan jagat trikalabadhit satya far kami ahet ani satat badal hach jagacha niyam ahe!?

Prayers,
Gargi

Though intention is to do VP from bottom of heart, it may not be easy to do it right from the beginning. People whoare doing it for years also may be finding it difficult to to it from bottom of heart. VP suruvatila nusati othatun ali tari chalel. Suruvatila othatun yenari VP haluhalu potatun kadhi yayala lagali te kalanar nahi. This is applicable to process of learning or practicing any other thing also. Be it sports, music, any profession etc. You can't be an expert in the beginning. Doing something fluently indicates your achievement.


At normal speed it takes @ 20 minutes to complete 108 VP. Thus 1000VP means your mind is engaged for aprox. 3 hrs in VP (or positive thoughts). Somebody can complete 108 VPs in 15 minutes say. Still he can complete 1200 VP  during duration of 3 hr drama (I assume here that the drama is without any commercials or other interruptions). I am not aware of somebody completing 3000 VP in 3 hrs. However some people do 3000 or more VP in a day. It depends on type of duty they are performing. People are strictly advised not to do VP or namasmaran (knowingly) while doing office work (mental attention required) or while listening to discourses or somebody.

If you have time to sit at one place and do meditation or VP, good. If you can do it for three hours, very good. If you can do it without any negative thoughts coming in your mind excellent. If you can do it without any negative thoughts coming in your mind that too from bottom of your heart, you have already achieved a lot.

For the people who can't do any of these things, Saint Tukaram says "Yeyil taisa bol Ram Krishna Hari". The same way Satguru advises to say VP for the whole day whenever you are mentally free.

JV doesn't belive in proving greatness of somebody by showing others "chota". That may be OK for Akbar-Birbal arguments. I don't think discussion on negative words in Sanskrit Shlokas or in Pasaydan brings any "chotepan" to the originators or the thoughts. I am sure you too didn't mean to bring "chetepan" to VP when you mentioned ":

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I have one doubt in my mind..
Isn't VP actually 'ANUWAD' of Sansrkit Sholka from Upanishadas..i.e.

सर्वेपि सुखिन: सन्तु सर्वे सन्तु निरामय:
सर्वे भद्राणि पश्यंतु मा कश्चित दु:खमाप्नुयात!!

I am calling it anuwad and not bhshantar because there some addition of changli buddhi, aishawarya etc.
But at the end the 'vichar' is one and the same only..
Then why VP is called something 'Revolutionary' pattern of Upasana?

Is it just because our prachin shlokas and prathanas are in Sansrikt and VP can be chanted in Marathi/Hindi/English?

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When the Rishis said "सर्वेपि सुखिन: सन्तु सर्वे सन्तु निरामय:
सर्वे भद्राणि पश्यंतु मा कश्चित दु:खमाप्नुयात!!" it was revolutionary thounds years ago. When Saint Dnyaneshwar said " Sarva sukhi Sarva bhuti sampurna hoyije" that was revolutionary 700 years ago. The same way when JV says VP in this century, it is revolutionary. For your info, VP itself has gone through evolution.
सर्वेपि सुखिन: .... or Pasaydan were not developed for chanting the whole day. On the contrary VP is meant for chanting the whole day. Hence should not have any negative thoughts.

For any mantra you have to follow the technique and ruless corrctly. Any mistake could be disastrous.

In a family life or in any organization you must win respect of veterans if you want to be successful. If you start like a confrontationist, you will be a loser even in front of a competition who is ready to adjust (even if not as intelligent or brilliant as you are). "Adjustment" is the mantra for success in family life.

Satguru says "Prapanch karava janat, and Paramartha karava manat". Until you win confidence of your in-laws, you may do your way of paramartha mentally with low profile and prapanch (here it is VP) loudly (potatun nasali tari jorat othatun in-laws na aiku jayiparyant).

Believe me, true paramartha is beyond all these things, but to achieve that you need to make your parpanch sukhacha. If you get stuck up with details, you can't do any progress.

Please continue with your discussion. Do not hesitate to ask questions in public or through personal messages.

May God bless all,
Deepak Mahadeshwar

[shambhagwat]

सर्वांना नमस्कार,

नमस्कार डॉ. नूतन पोळ,

ग्रंथ, प्रवचन, शिबीरे व वैयक्तीक संभाषण यामधे फरक असतो.  ग्रंथ कोणीही वाचू शकतो.  एखादा आत्मानुभव प्राप्त झालेला सुध्दा ग्रंथ वाचण्याची शक्यता नाकारता येत नाही.  प्रवचनात काय बोलायचे हे साधारणत: जमलेल्या माणसांच्या स्तरावर ठरत असते.  शिबीरामध्ये कोण भाग घेतील व त्यांचा स्तर काय असेल हे निश्चीत करून त्याप्रमाणे अभ्यासक्रम ठरविला जातो.  वैयक्तिक संभाषणात मात्र समोरच्या व्यक्तीची पात्रता (तसेच संस्कार) लक्षात ठेवून मार्गदर्शन केले जाते.  त्यामुळे कोणता मुद्दा कुठे मांडायचा व कोणता मुद्दा कुठे मांडायचा नाही हे तारतम्य बाळगावे लागते. 

"आमची उपासना पध्दत चालती बोलती आहे" वगैरे संभाषणातील काही वाक्ये फोरममधे मांडल्यामुळे माझा गोंधळ झाला होता.  त्याचीच आठवण मला तुमचा खुलासा वाचल्यावर झाली.  असो.

सर्वांना नमस्कार, सर्वांना शुभेच्छा.

[shambhagwat]

For any mantra you have to follow the technique and ruless corrctly. Any mistake could be disastrous.

सर्वांना नमस्कार,

नमस्कार दीपक,

हा मुद्दा खूपच महत्वाचा आहे.  उपायापेक्षा अपाय होण्याचीच शक्यता अधिक.  याबाबत जास्त खोलात जाऊन जाहीर चर्चा करणे शक्य नसते .  मात्र माणूस पाहून मार्गदर्शन करणे हिताचे असते.  फोरमचे व्यासपीठ त्याला अनुकूल आहे असे मला वाटत नाही.

सर्वांना नमस्कार, सर्वांना शुभेच्छा.