How does JV explain Evolution?

[mk]

Namonamah,
Another stupid, childish query from me....

Does JV accept the theory of evolution (origin of species, theory of natural selection etc.) and how does JV explain it in the context of its considering "Parameshwar" as perfect "vyavasthaa"? Is not the concept of "punarjanma" incompatible with evolution?

ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_evolution

Thanks and regards

Milind Khadilkar

[subhash]

MK,

can you please elaborate as to how the Re-birth concept contradicts theory of evolution?

Regards,
Subhash

[mk]

Namonamah,
I can't. Except that traits in the offspring (as per evolution) come from parents, and not from prior "lives". "Survival of the fittest" is based on advantages such traits give in specific living conditions; and do not mention paap-punya accumulation. But, still I cannot elaborate as
1. I am not sure what all is supposed to get passed on from one life to another.
2. I am not sure if JV is applicable to all life forms (e.g. would there be a sadguru among lizards?).

Anyway, the main question is: Does JV accept the theory of evolution (origin of species, theory of natural selection etc.) and how does JV explain it in the context of its considering "Parameshwar" as perfect "vyavasthaa"?

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[subhash]

MK,

very interesting question indeed. Here is a first cut reply:

1. Traits in offspring come from ancestors (parents + their parents + ...) + mutations from generation to generation. JV is aligned with this. In fact, Satguru says once the person is dead, that person never comes back. CHAITANYASHAKTI comes back in a different body. But feature similarity in grandson and grandfather is due to genes and not due to rebirth.

2. Through genes, scientifically, all does not get passed as it is. Mutations happen and there is 0.1% change in every new generation - refer Bill Bryson's beautiful book - "A short history of almost everything". All human beings are 99.9% same!

3. Human beings do not know all the laws of nature. Do not know whether there is Satguru for lizards. By the way, JV is applicable to all life forms because it is based on laws of nature and these are applicable to all life forms.

4. JV says the world has got created out of PARAMESHWAR (please do not personify). Nobody created it. This is fundamentally different. Moreover, natural selection is aligned with law of adjustment and looks logical. However, Darwin's theory does not comment on how the next birth is determined for the Life that exists within the body.

5. VYAVASTHA is the non-mutating laws of nature. Since it is only transformation - there is no real death or birth.

6. It has been proven beyond doubt that thoughts that you habitually entertain in your mind influence the chemical reactions in your body. So it can be a very useful research to see how VP influences your health positively. May be it will induce positive mutations...

Hope it clarifies.

God bless you, God bless all.
Subhash

[mk]

Namonamah,
Subhashjee, your response is very interesting, and could form a base for further thought. It will take a time of its own to digest... but still, here goes:

1 &2. I do not know whether we need mutation to explain the 0.1% change. The random selection of traits from the two sets (one from each parent) is sufficient! About Chaitanyashakti, I have one question: elsewhere in this forum I heve read that CS is present even in non-living objects. If this is true, it must exist even in a dead body. Is the CS in a living body different from that in a dead body? In this context 'CHAITANYASHAKTI "comes back" in a different body' needs clarification.

2. Is it that "all" human beings are 99.9% same? Or is it that "any two" are?

3. Can we say that JV is an abstraction, personification, interpretation of, abd a manual of, laws of nature? Do you mean "laws of nature" (as against JV) are applicable to all life forms. With reference to your reply to "yogesh" in another thread, can I say that JV:laws of nature :: Subhash:You? (For example, is VP part of JV or of "laws of nature"?)
4. Parameshwar could have created all life forms at one time.  In JV terms why were all life forms not created simultaneously?
5. Could not understand.
6. Sounds likely.

How do paap-punya come into the picture? Evolution has no place for them.

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[subhash]

MK,

1. 1 & 2 - 0.1% change is not due to mutation. It is due to DNA ribbon differences in each cell of the next generation. Mutation is a change that occurs separately and hence I used the word AND. I should have used the word +.

About CS. Yes - CS is present even in dead body or any non-living objects. Satguru maintains that SAT (Power and Existence), CHIT (Divine Power of Reasoning and Divine Intuition) and ANAND (SUKH and SHANTI) are part of the same fundamental TATTVA called CS. Manifestation of these attributes changes the forms. In stone SAT is more and CHIT and ANAND are negligible. In humans, SAT is less and CHIT is much more. CS creates a body out of its own SAT only. CS is everywhere inside, outside, right-side, left-side, all 10 directions, far and near (Refer Geeta). But the one where impressions of KARMAs accumulate loses connection to the body (in a similar manner as when you switch off the fan - you actually have electricity, you have fan but the connection is not there).

2. All human beings are 99.9% same. Bill's Book also says that genetically Chimpanzee and humans are less different than horses and zebras!

3. Laws of nature are applicable to all life forms. JV is based on laws of nature and hence it is applicable to all life forms. But JV has discovered a law of nature that if the body changes so also the CS manifestation. Although CS has infinite ATTRIBUTES, only certain attributes get manifested in certain life forms. Interpretation of JV: Laws of nature is not correct as I understood your sentence. May be you need to elaborate it.

4. Parameshwar did not create anything. It got created. Satguru gives an example of SWEAT. We do not create it intentionally but it gets created because of us. Similarly hair grow because  of us but we do not do it consciously. So many life forms created so far have gone extinct. Parameshwar has no interest in how many human beings exist, etc. Parameshwar is infinite and creation is infinite. JV says in this infinite universe, there is no big place for earth - forget about its life forms! But this is from the PARAMESHWAR's frame of reference. From our frame of reference, what is important is laws of nature because that is how the we interact with PARAMESHWAR and attract wrath or boon according to the nature of our KARMAs.

5. Elaboration on earlier post's Point 5 - All creation is nothing but manifestation of CS. It is but a transformation of forms from the root cause which is formless. But the creation is nowhere chaotic but every manifestation is endowed with laws of nature which is a systematized order.

6. We can experiment it in our lives. So many people have got results. At the very least, it can augment any existing correct medical treatment and accelerate the recovery and at the same time give mental stability to people.

7. Again, we do not know every law of nature so no comment on PAPA-PUNYA but based on the law that nothing comes free and everything has a cause we can deduce from some inherent traits in personality what kind of patterns we had created in our subconscious mind in our previous births. Some events can only be explained in such manner - e.g. ANANDAGANDHARVA a seven year old boy who has never been initiated in harmonium or music, does a program on TV and sings quite difficult RAAGAs while playing harmonium. Try learning one and you will soon realize how difficult it is to do it in the initial period until your subconscious has learnt it. It will be foolish to conclude that he knows how to play harmonium by 'chance'. I believe the same way, newer generations are intelligent that previous ones.

God bless you, God bless all,
Subhash