Why is "taking anugrah" so important?

[mk]

Namonamah,
The phrases "taking anugrah(घेणे)", "giving anugrah(देणे)" sound awkward (असणे  वा नसणे sound better), but are often used in JV with lot of significance.

Isn't this just a roodhi, paramparaa?

Maajhyaavar JVForum chaa anugrah आहे. तो दिलेला नाही वा घेतलेला ही नाही. Isn't VP itself an anugrah? Isn't being krtadnya a form of acceptance of being in someone's anugrah?

Of course, there would be special significance to  a Guru and a shishya formally accepting each other. So my doubt is not about the importance of a formal declaration, but only about its necessity.

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[Gaurav Chavan]

Namaskar  MK

Every new relationship (ex. GURU-SHISHYA) which we want to establish follows these steps in terms to accept that relation.   
1.KAYA
2.VACHA
3.MAN
For normal person it starts with conventional ANUGRAHA process, where person how is taking ANUGRHA knows his GURU by his physical appearance(KAYA). 
This is just beginning for the relationship, most important thing is to reach up to MAN level and accept that GURU SHISHYA relationship.
There could be exceptions where person not at all required conventional ANUGRAHA, reason is that person is already being attached to SATGURU at spiritual level.
Unfortunately there are very few people who is having that kind of Base developed. And for these people we can call ?ANUGRAHIT JHALE?.
Rest we ?.. we all are Taking ANUGRAHA to reach to the level of ?ANUGRAHIT JHALE?.

Gaurav

[mk]

Namonamah,
Thanks, Gauravjee.

यह तनमन आनंद तपोवन
गुरु अनुग्रह है नवजीवन

दिव्य गुरु अनुग्रह अपार
भवसागर सहज हो पार


Regards
Milind Khadilkar

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskar MK jee,

When and if you feel the necessity of getting divy bodh and sadhana, for your spiritual progress then you will realise the importance of surrendering to Satguru and taking anugrah from him. Because one may purify the conscious and subconscious mind with the help of naam and VP but to enter the purified subconscious mind we require passport from Satguru!

May everybody chant VP!

[subhash]

MK,

This is from Satguru's book - SUGANDHA JEEVANVIDYECHA - Chapter 16 - Anugraha. Anugraha is of two types - first is a VIDHI (Ritual) and second type is KAIVALYASIDDHI. Probably the poem refers to the second stage. Ritual is for taking the admission in JV University. You establish a relatioship between Satguru and yourself (as an obedient disciple) and at that time Satguru initiates you into PARAMARTHA with a primilinary guidance.

From then on, observing disciple's knowledge hunger, eagerness and ability to put the theory into practice (ABHYAS and SADHANA) and SATGURUNISHTHA (you develop this appreciation towards Satguru after understanding the importance of knowledge Satguru imparts to you) - Satguru imparts more and more knowledge and ways of meditation and takes you through different stages.

Then comes the next stage of DIVYABODH and DIVYASADHANA. Once you practice that and you get some level of mastery you are able to go beyond JEEVA PRANTA into DEVACHA PRANTA. Once you can establish yourself beyond JEEVA and that becomes your natural state then you get second ANUGRAHA which is KAIVALYASIDDHI.

Second point is all ROODHI and PARAMPARAs are not wrong. JV has selected lots of ROODHIs which are in line with laws of nature - such as bowing to your parents every morning and evening (Gratitude). I guess necessity governs the importance. Not only does this ritual allows a formal acceptance from both sides but it provides a means to commit yourself to the relationship. There is an implicit responsibility on you as a disciple to follow the guidance of Satguru - which is in your interest.

Moreover not all things can be learnt on forum. Satguru teaches you things according to your level and that guidance is pretty customized. SAHE OZE TYASI TAISE DEVU - Sant Shri Tukaram. If only learning on forum would have given people everything there is no need for schools, colleges, universities. All mediums of learning are important and definitely have a place. Forum may be a good beginning but it is not the end for sure.

Last but not the least - unlike in many other places - Satguru does not accept any remuneration for imparting ANUGRAHA. Garland is for you, coconut which is considered as a PRATEEK for MANGALYA is for you to keep and the book is for your reading.

यह तनमन आनंद तपोवन
गुरु अनुग्रह है नवजीवन

दिव्य गुरु अनुग्रह अपार
भवसागर सहज हो पार

Thanks for this nice poem.

God bless you, God bless all,
Subhash

[omkar]

Hi all

  Nice discussion

  my one question is it not possible that if we have taken anugrha in earlier life? What will happen then?

   Omkar
  May God bless all with "Akhand Sadgurukrupa & effortless Namsmaran"

   

[subhash]

Omkar,

You cannot benefit from that for following reasons:

1. You do not remember the teachings of your Satguru from past birth nor can you determine in the first place that your were anugrahit or not
2. Learning has to happen from DEHADHARI SATGURU. He will be able to catch up with what you have learnt and will give you a customized guidance.
3. According to Geeta - you inherit the good sanskaras from your earlier SADHANA and will get more grasping this birth because of your POORVABHYAS. You will be able to accelerate that with customized guidance from your Satguru in this birth

God bless you, God bless all,
Subhash

[omkar]

Hello Subhash sir

  Thanks for your answer I agree with you
   
    As par my knowledge [from various books of course!]. Sadguru he Chaytanyashakti shi ekrup zalele astat then what diffrance it will make if they hold body or not?
   
   Also is it not vary tedious to find a new guru & learn [ new teaching from new sadguru because we forget what we have learn after death] every time we are born [is it not like studing every year same subject!!!]
   
  Thanks JV Thanks all members Thanks you

              Omkar
May God bless all with "Akhand Sadgurukrupa & effortless Namsmaran"
 
         
   

[subhash]

No Sir Omkar. We are all students of JV.

Satguru is one with SWAROOP (everybody is one with ChaitanyaShakti (CS) because CS is everything). He can only instruct us if he is holding a body.

It is tedious to find the new Satguru. It is very difficult in fact to find a new Satguru (SHABDE PARE CHA NISHNAAT). How can you first of all guarantee that you will be born as a human being and that too how will you know that you will seek Satguru. You have a free will and you can be almost anybody.

We have to make the most of now. We are born as human beings and we have a Satguru among us. We are also fortunate to be on this forum for seeking knowledge. UDHARICHYA VYAHARAAT RISK AHE. We do not do business on credit by choice do we?

God bless you, God bless all,
Subhash

[mk]

Namonamah,
I feel going through the ritual of "anugrah" is just making a commitment to yourself and to others that you will submit yourself to someone revered. It is but a name given to the abstract commitment you could make without the ceremony if you were already at a level where rituals make no sense. The real commitment in  a marriage does not come from a 5-star ceremony.

To the revered person himself the ritual makes no difference: he is a giver without reservation. But to the recipient, the commitment counts. And the ritual is just the way to ensure appropriate pressure from within and without to continue with the commitment. Also, the ritual is a way of identifying yourself with the fraternity and gaining access to a support structure that makes your experience more pleasurable and more fruitful.

If you feel internally committed to any such person, the ritual would make no difference whatever!
If you have the will, you will get your Teacher, anugrah or no anugrah!

There is another angle to it. Grah also means perception in Marathi. Anugrah could than mean accepting someone else's perception. Anyone wants to accept this percection of mine?

Thanks and Best wishes
Milind Khadilkar

[MEENA PATKAR]

Vithalvithal

mk's perception is wrong.Anugrah does not mean accepting someoneelse's perception.
Also, going through the ritual of anugrah does not mean making a commitment to yourself that you will submit yourself to someone.

Anugrah is just a ritual by which a "Sadguru-Shishya " relationship is established between Sadguru (Shabde parechi nishnat sadguru-as Subhashji has said) and a shishya i.e. a person willing to learn , has curiosity to know.

Going thru the ritual is important , because as said above it establishes sadguru -shishya relationship between sadguru & shishya .Another imporatnt thing is while doing sadhana given by sadguru(e.g. namasmaran/vishwaprarthana-daily 1000 times),shishya is benefitted by the sadhana/studies done by sadguru.This helps him in his studies/sadhana to progress rapidly.

Purpose of Anugrah is purely for seeking knowledge and nothing else.


Thanks & regards
Meena
May God bless all.

[omkar]

Hello

  Thanks for your reply

  Subhash kaka tumhi tumcha point ankhi clear karal ka?
 

   Thanks JV Thanks all members Thanks you

              Omkar
May God bless all with "Akhand Sadgurukrupa & effortless Namsmaran"

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskar Omkar and MK jee,

It is true that able to chant VP effortlessly is krupa-grace of Shri Satguru but even then symbol of relationship between guru-shishy which is taking anugrah is essential.

  It is a symbol of internal acceptance and commitment of the relationship. You can say that it is type of sanskar (thought impression) on mind that now onwards disciple will follow advice given to him by Satguru and then Satguru will always guide and support him internally and also externally.

When there is an urge for the guidance from the Satguru, disciple is ready to follow Shri Satguru?s advice which includes this sanskar of anugrah. If I need guidance which will help me to do my spiritual progress which is not possible without the grace of Satguru then why should I insist on my views? This entire means I am not yet ready to surrender my ego to the lotus feet of Satguru. My spiritual progress is directly proportional to my surrender to Satguru. Surrender means my ability to listen and follow his teachings and behave in a way He wants me to behave. Initially he will tolerate my ego as I am ignorant but I will not be able to progress unless I have sincere desire to follow his advice.

So the question arises why should I insist on my views and expect special treatment from Satguru as in not following particular procedure of becoming his disciple, if I wish to be his disciple and learn spiritual science?

May everybody be blessed with Shri Satguru Krupa!

[omkar]

Thank you all & nutan pol for such a wonderful reply
I wish a very happy Sankrant to all
 
We are living with ahankar & other bad things so is it not good that shree Sadguru to choose his disciples not we choosing sadguru for guidance us ? I am saying this because sadguru is full of consciousness [all knower]. So it is far better to let the choice lay with Shree sadguru than us

subhash jee please make more clarification on your reply

 Thanks JV Thanks all members Thanks you

              Omkar
May God bless all with "Akhand Sadgurukrupa & effortless Namsmaran"


 


 

[mk]

Namonamah

He is there to give without discrimination. The ball therefore is in the recipient's court!

Omkarjee, thanks for asking questions. This forum needs good, energetic, persistent, insistent questioners.

Best wishes
Milind Khadilkar