Punishment and reparation

[mk]

Namonamah,
If I do something wrong to somebody, JV says that I will be punished sooner or later. (No, this threat will not prevent me from posting to this forum!)

But punishing me is not a compensation for the person I have wronged.

How does that person get compensated?

From my limited understanding of JV,

1. JV does not make an explicit provision for that,
2. JV would take the view that I have wronged that person because he deserved it due to his paap balance. Thus my doing him a wrong is in a sense a compensation in itself.
3. JV would still expect him to be grateful to me, because he has no knowledge whether what I have done to him is for his ultimate kalyaan or not (e.g. my stealing his bike might have prevented him from being involved in an accident. ((Of course the accident could also have been beneficial, who knows!)))
4. JV does not translate "being wronged" into punnya to be used later.


Am I right?

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
MK,
The list of understanding of JV , mentioned  by you ,is correct.



Thanking You,
Meena
May god bless all

[mk]

Namonamah,
Thanks. I am relieved.

#3 would then mean that if I hurt someone, I will be just giving him/her his/her due, i.e. I would be acting in tune with the laws of nature. So, no blame or paap attaches to me. Great. Hurraaahh!!!!!

And if someone does me a good turn, it is only because I deserved it in accordance with my balance of punnya. So, that somebody has done nothing out of the way for me. No need to be krtadnya!! Again, Hurraaahhhhh!!


But in spite of it, Thanks.
Best wishes
Milind Khadilkar

[subhash]

MK,

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1. JV does not make an explicit provision for that,
4. JV does not translate "being wronged" into punnya to be used later.
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Do not know why you are holding JV responsible for this? JV only discovers laws of nature which are and not made by JV or anybody and try to put them to use and to make this world a better place to live.

Now answer to your Q (really speaking it requires a big discussion and a written answer will not be a justice as a reply, but I will try to state some pointers. If interested you can send me your phone no. in a personal message and I will be able to call you on this one):

1. People are given freedom to do whatever. Nothing is predestined or predetermined. It is not our collective destiny to be happy forever - everything will happen by people's actions and reactions to these actions according to the laws of nature.
2. Action and reaction are multiplied and magnified.
3. It is not just my life but our life. We influence each other.
4. Nothing comes free. You need to consume PAAPA or PUNYA. Nothing goes unnoticed. You deposit PAAPA or PUNYA.
5. What is compensation? What is justice? Who decides how much is enough and why? - As a person I am more worried about compensating for a good that so many people have done to me and really do not have time to think about bad things people did to me as much. How can I compensate to my mother, to my father, to my teachers, to my dearest Satguru, to my country and the entire Universe and the ubiquitous ChaitanyaShakti? I believe JV has taught me to think this way. Is looking after your parents in old age a justice or good enough compensation for their good deeds? How much money or good treatment can we say it will require?
6. Why does wrong happen to that person only and not to other person?
7. Reaction comes from CHAITANYASHAKTI and not from VYAKTI. It may not come from the same person or even a person. It may be that situation will react.  If accident is a reaction to your past DUSHKARMA then it may not need bike to happen. It will happen just like that as well - may be that person will fall off from a chair, etc.

Loads of points still remain but limitations of post.

God bless you, God bless All,
Subhash