Does JV believe in Granthas like Ramayan,Mahabharat etc?

[kanchan]

Namaskar

I have understood the defination of God given by JV.I have understood the meaning of Shiv,Vishnu,Hari,Vitthal in terms of JV.

But I would like to ask that Does JV believe in---

1. Granthas like Ramayan,Mahabharat etc?

2.Different Roop of God Shiv,Vishnu and others?


God Bless All

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
Kanchan,

You are not wrong for having the query.Delay in ans is only  due to lack of time.


Jv do believe in Granthas like Ramayan ,Mahabharat.These are  said as Mahakavyas written by  great Rishimuni.Ramayana was wrtten by Walmiki rishi & Mahabharat was written by Vyas Rishi.

Different Roop of God Shiv,Vishnu etc. are just the personification made , for better understanding of the concept of God .



Thanking you,
Meena
May God bless all.

[kanchan]

Namaskar


Thank u Meenjee for answering but as you said..

"Different Roop of God Shiv,Vishnu etc. are just the personification made , for better understanding of the concept of God" Here I want to ask..

1.Narsimha ha Vishnuch avatar hota...Hiranyakashyapucha vadh karnyasathi...
2.ShriKrishna ha sudha vishnuch avtar hota.
3.There are 12 JYOTIRLINGE..

so from these three statements..you will say these are personification made....those Roopas of God were not in existance?

Best wishes

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
Kanchan
Namaskar,

The answer is Yes .
 
I Would like to know , what these 3 statements implicate???
What is your view , considering these 3 statements??


Thanking you,
Meena
May God bless all

[kanchan]

Namaskar Meenatai

Sorry for not clearing my view very clearly.

As I said I have understood defn of God given by JV.I am totally agree with that..very nicely given.Also know the defn

of Shiv,Vishnu,Vitthal.Agree with this.

but there only question arises for me...you said that differerent roops of God are personification.Then people(me also)
used to say Shankarane avtar ghelta ani Mangesh mhanun Goa madhye sthaik zala.Brhama,Vishnu,Mahesh ne Dattatrayacha avtar ghetla.So just want to ask does JV believe in this thing.

Because I do belive in that and now a days i am trying to understand JV philosophy.i have read all granthas.i agree with all JV philosophy.but i always have this doubt in mind.

I hope u understand my view.and just can u pls explain if u do believe in all such things and if not then why?Please theres kind request that I dont want to misinterprit anything.

Sorry if hurting anybodys feeling.

thanks.

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
Kanchan

your query is right.Many people have this in mind.

If you study Jeevanvidya & books written by  Shri Sadguru ,again & again , you will slowly & gradually understand the concept of God.

Do you think that , this shankar who took birth & lived in Goa with the name Mangesh, is going to appear before you some day? and bless you??

The people who say this ,and not only this but many stories are there about God, likewise we have 33 crores devata ,as people say.Then are they going to appear before us when , we are in trouble or something like that??It is not possible practically.

You said you have understood the defination of God "Nisarganiyamasahit Naisargic Padhhatsheer  vyavastha"(devine power +devine intuition +devine bliss).
This is a true roop of god.But in practice,it is very difficult to understand , also very difficult to imagine , how can we bring this kind of God , before our eyes ? Then it becomes  very difficult to chanting  & remembering him.And also , the qt arises , by which name  to remember him?? To overcome this difficulty , our rishimuni  etc.innovated the personification of God .Murtipuja also is one of these tricks ,so that remembering God will become easy for every one.

So to make the people able to remember God all the time , these personification was made .
Unfortunately, people misunderstood.It is not harmful to remember God by whatever name Shankar,Vishnu , but the true concept of God , should be kept in mind.
 
To conclude , in reality there is only one God (ie  devine power  with devine intuition with devine bliss-pl go thru Sadguru's Books for defination  once again).
This God does not interfere in anybody's life. He neither blesses nor curses anybody.But
we should always  remember him and shold always be greatful to him , because we have got this precious llife to live because of him.

pl.continue if still the confusion in your mind is not clear .


Thanks ,
Meena
May God bless all

[Vaibhav Nimbalkar]

Very nice querry by Kanchan-taai & equally nice answer by Meena-taai!
Kudos...

Kanchan-taai,
First of all, try to understand the true concept of God through 'Andhar Andhashradhdhecha' book of JVM. It'll definitely answer 'all' your doubts/querries     
regarding God.
For the moment, i'd ask you to go through Meena-taai's answer well.
Shri Satguru says- 'Bhagwan' or 'Avatar' is an 'UPAADHI' (title) given by the society to the extra-ordinary 'human beings'(!)
e.g. Krishna-Arjun were actually Satguru-Shishya!
& so on.

Pls pls read the book 'Andhar Andhashradhdhecha'.

Keep asking such nice questions...
Keep studying JV!
My best wishes...

[kanchan]

Namaskar!!!

Thank u Meena Tai and Vaibhav ji.

I agreed with both of u..but since 29 years I am doing Murtipuja,abhisheka to Kuldevata.I mean to say that I have been so involved in that roop of GOD..NOT IN MURTI..but as Vishnu,Shiva my father and devi as my aai.
I used to bellieve...have belief that Shiva is always there with me .I used to do Manaspuja of him.

So eventhough I accepted emtionally and practically also that God is Chaitanyashakti...is there everywhere.... .
emotionally I can not accept that These Roopas of God are personification.

I think for that FIRSTLY I SHOULD TAKE ANUGRAH AND START DOING SADHAN FOLLOWED BY THAT.


Naveen Varshachya Sarvana Subhechha!!

[mk]

Namonamah,
Kanchanjee Namaste,

I appreciate your independent thoughts and your independent words. They are very valuable. Do learn from JV. There is a lot to learn there. And JVForum is possibly one of the vehicles to that learning.

However, please do not start with the assumption that JV is right and that it is you who are wrong in your beliefs. Finally, your personal JV will be a joyous mixture (kaalaa) of your experiences, your reasoning, your wishes and JV principles. Anugrah will probably give you the right mix!
Of course, I have no real right to advise you on such matters, so my apologies in advance.

Thanks and Best wishes
Milind Khadilkar

[dr.nutanpol]

Happy new Year to all!

 Namaskar Kanchan,

It is really good thing that you are frankly expressing your views. Please continue to do so.
JV is not against doing any murtipooja. What JV says that, doing murtipooja is like taking primary education of spiritual science and we all should learn further and take advance training.

Saint Namdev was doing murtipooja but his deity Vitthal asked him to go to Saint Dnyaneshwar to know what is God and then Saint Dnyaneshawar asked him to go to Saint Visoba Khechar. When Namdev went to meet Saint Visoba, he was sleeping by keeping his feet on idol (pind) of Lord Shiva. He tried to keep his feet away but wherever he kept his feet, Namdev saw that there is pind of Shiva below his feet, so ultimately he grasped his feet and said, "I am surrendering myself to you. Please tell me the secret behind this." Saint Visoba examined his sincerity by various ways and then he told the secret of doing worship of atmdev.

As you will read books of JV and listen to Shri Satguru's pravachans and do sadhana you will realize that, God who can be called as Shiva, Ganesh, Vishnu, Krishna etc. resides in your heart only. Why we do not realize it because our mind is not pure. When gradually our mind becomes pure and pure we start realizing that He has taken all the forms and also resides in our heart.

Only real Satguru can give this experience and hence there is importance of having real Satguru and surrender of disciple. Shiva is no one else but our own swarup. As you will start doing sadhana, you will experience the meaning of all the words which are written and spoken by Shri Satguru. Please have patience, take anugrah and do sadhana given to you.

Secondly I want to tell you that Mahabharata and Ramayana may have happened in the past but what is important for us is that, whether values expressed by the different individuals in these epics in their lives should be imitated by us or not. Shri Satguru approves of Lord Krishna's behavior. He does not approve of Lord Rama's behavior at many incidents. He says one should be practical and think of all than being idealistic. He does not like Yudhishthir's behavior of doing gambling and using Draupadi as an object of gamble. He does not like behavior of Bhishma where he took oath of supporting King irrespective of his behavior and then kept loyalty to King in spite of Duryodhana's inhuman conduct.

 Shri Satguru's philosophy is very practical and he says that our behavior should be in harmony with the laws of nature and we should always think of all while behaving.

You can continue with you murtipooja. Even Ramkrishna paramahans did murtipooja in initial part of sadhana. Please do JV courses- Swanand yoga part one and two. These courses can be done in Pune and even prior to anugrah. You will understand JV philosophy better after doing these courses. There are question-answer sessions in these courses at the end of all lectures. I am very sure that, you will be definitely benefited by them.

May you progress spiritually! 

[subhash]

Kanchan,

1. All great epic granthas are real. But these are books and they tell stories about few people we do not know whether they existed or not. Nobody has been able to prove their existence or otherwise.

2. Doing Moortipooja is good for a beginner level. What JV is not happy is about remaining for the whole life at the same level. We need to progress further. Path is shown by the Sages and Saints of the world from time to time which is: Uttamah SAHAJAAVASTHA, Madhyamo DHYANADHARANA; Kanishthah PRATIMAPOOJA, Teerthatana ADHAMADHAMA.Do not break your belief system just like that. When you are at higher levels of knowledge, you will find that you no longer need the lower levels of things that you were doing earlier. A child uses walker but a grown up child stops using it on its own because it can walk without the walker.

3. JV does not believe in AVTAAR concept. There is only one God who is omnipresent and almighty, nirgun and nirakaar, etc. Great personalities can be given certain PADAVEEs like MAHATMA GANDHI, LOKAMANYA TILAK, etc. Characters described in these epics could have been these great personalities.

4. You doing MANASPOOJA of Lord Shankara is good. You are training/taming the mind and doing positive thinking. You will get good benefits. Do not stop this - it is a good SADHANA. You can also do MANASPOOJA of your mother, father, teacher, Satguru with loads of gratitude feeling.

5. What MK has said is half the truth. I would go like this: Go with an open mind not having any inferiority or superiority complex of any kind, without any preconceived notions or prejudices (for or against JV) and apply logic. You should also try to leave out AHANKAAR and not oppose for the sake of it and even after certain things are logically obvious. Need to have an open mind to accept things which appeal to you logically. You can also openly appreciate if you understand what JV is trying to say. You believe in something until you experience the truth. You need to seek the truth.

6. You will be able to do SADHANA only when you have the basic knowledge. Please read few books of JV and argue/accept logically (again no amount of emotions against or for will help you in the long run).

Thanks to Meena, Dr. Nutan, Vaibhav and MK for their insights.

God bless you, God bless all,
Subhash

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
Kanchan,
Namaskar


Thanks to Subhashji & Dr. Nutantai for such a nice explanation.Also thanks to vaibhav for contributing.
What you are doing is not at all wrong. You can continue doing manaspuja of Shiva ,  vishnu or Devi. Only important thing is you should do it with understanding the true concept of God.
While doing murtipuja and because of personification of God , what has happened is people started believing God exists in a very small form/roop i.e. Murti.They started believing murti is only almighty God and if something good happens God has done & something bad happens  God has punished.
This is where something new JV has propounded.It says God has nothing to do with what happens in our life, good or bad.For these we ourselves are responsible .Any Good or bad happens in our life is based on Laws of Nature.We should always worship God for expressing gratitude towards him for giving us precious human life to live.

Decision of taking Sadguru's Anugrah , is very good .That will creat a Sadguru -Shishya relation between you & sadguru.

I know you are not dependent on the suggestion of a person like MK (who is not firm in his own opinions).Sadguru has always said that he does not expect anyone to blindly follow th JV philosophy.He always says , first you test JV in the laboratory of your own life, ask your doubts & queries until you get satisfied & then follow .Your query itself shows how keen you are to clear the doubt in your mind.Keep it up.

Thanking you,
Meena
May God bless all

[kanchan]

Namaskar to all!!!


Thank you Dr.Nutantai for valuable advice and suggestions.Will definately do the course.

Thank you Milindjee for suggestion.

Thank you Subhash dada for explanation of my each querry.Yes,I always appriciate JV and trying to follow JV principles.While learning JV Philosophy , I have some querries and I am getting very good solutions from all good people like you.And going to put more.....


Thank you so much Meenatai for patiently listining me and giving very nice solutions.I am totally agree with you for the last post.

[mk]

Namonamah,
Sorry, Kanchanjee, for misleading you. Thanks, Meenajee for pointing it out. I correct myself below:

Kanchanjee Namaste
Please get rid of your independent thoughts and your independent words. They are a big liability. Do learn from JV that learning is achieved only through acceptance.

However, please do not start with any doubts. The truth is that JV is right and that it is you who are wrong in your beliefs. Finally, your personal JV must match the official JV word for word. Anugrah will ensure that!


Thanks and Best wishes
Milind Khadilkar

Obviously, I am joking. Apologies for that.

Best wishes
Milind.

[subhash]

Kanchan,

Do not forget that we are all human beings. We have emotions but also have a logical reasoning capabilities.

Happy that you are appreciating JV.

Anugraha will change your POORVAGRAHA.

You do require an open mind in the first place for all this.

God bless you, God bless all,
Subhash