"तूच शिल्पकार " असे दुःख भोगणाऱ्याला सांगण

[mk]

नमोनमः
निर्बुद्धपणे "तूच आहेस तुझ्या जीवनाचा शिल्पकार " असे एखाद्या दुःख भोगणाऱ्याला सांगणे हे त्याला दोषी ठरवण्यासारखे, त्याच्या जखमेवर मीठ चोळण्यासारखे वाटू शकते.

हे टाळावे कसें?

धन्यवाद

मिलिन्द खाडिलकर

[dr.nutanpol]

सर्वांना नमस्कार,

जेंव्हा एखादी व्यक्ती जीवनविद्येत एखादी समस्या सुटावी म्हणून येते तिला फक्त तूच आहेस तुझ्या जीवनाचा शिल्पकार असे सांगितले जात नाही. तिची जशी समस्या असेल त्याप्रमाणे उचित मार्गदर्शन केले जाते. या मार्गदर्शनाने सर्वांचे समाधान होते. पण आपल्या आयुष्यात लगेच चमत्कार होईल अशी जर कोणाची अपेक्षा असेल तर तसे मात्र घडत नाही. सदगुरू जे ज्ञान देतात, जो विचारांत बदल करायला सांगतात व साधना करायला सांगतात त्यामुळे लोकांच्या समस्या सुटतात. असा आतापर्यंत सर्वांचा अनुभव आहे. पुर्व मुलाखतीची वेळ ठरवून श्री. सदगुरूंना बोरीवली ऑफिस मध्ये भेटून कोणीही याची खात्री करून घेऊ शकतो.

[Gaurav Chavan]

नमस्कार

निर्बुद्धपणे "तूच आहेस तुझ्या जीवनाचा शिल्पकार " असे एखाद्या दुःख भोगणाऱ्याला सांगणे हे त्याला दोषी ठरवण्यासारखे, त्याच्या जखमेवर मीठ चोळण्यासारखे वाटू शकते.

"निर्बुद्धपणे" असे म्हणने एकदम चुकीचेच आहे ... हा पण टाळावे कसे याला उत्तर आहे.
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पण सर्वात महत्वाचे अणि प्राथमिक पायरी 'समोरच्या वक्तिच्या दुखात सहभागी होऊंन त्याला धीर देणे' जर ह्या ठिकाणी सावध राहिलो की "निर्बुद्धपणे" आसे म्हणन्याची संधीच त्या "निर्बुद्ध" वक्तिला मिळणार नाही ...

धन्यवाद
गौरव   

[mk]

नमोनमः
गौरवजी, डाँ. नूतनजी, धन्यवाद.

Does JV have any specific counselling centers? Or are local JV centers equipped to provide any help in this regard?

One specific instance (not now, at an earlier time) had spurred me to this question. A boy with good physique and intellect went for adventure sport under good guidance and got hurt and will now miss some important exam that would have decided his career. If his parents are blaming him day in and day out for what happened, is it right either for the boy or on part of his parents? How would JV handle it?

Thanks and regards
Milind Khadilkar

[mk]

नमोनमः
गौरवजी, धन्यवाद.

"निर्बुद्धपणे" हा शब्द मी वापरला ही माझी चूक. ऐनवेळी मला "संवेदनाशून्यपणे" हा वा या अर्थाचा दुसरा शब्द सुचला नाही. Sorry.

"तूच आहेस तुझ्या जीवनाचा शिल्पकार " हे म्हणतांना "तूच भोग तुझ्या कर्माची फळं" ही छद्मी छटा कशी टाळावी?

धन्यवाद

मिलिन्द खाडिलकर

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
Mk,
Namaskar

Quote
निर्बुद्धपणे "तूच आहेस तुझ्या जीवनाचा शिल्पकार " असे एखाद्या दुःख भोगणाऱ्याला सांगणे हे त्याला दोषी ठरवण्यासारखे, त्याच्या जखमेवर मीठ चोळण्यासारखे वाटू शकते.


Unquote
Satya he nehami katu asate.Tyamule survatila  he aaiklyavar payakhalchi jameenach sarakte.

Kahi Murkha manase asatan ti he katu satya swikarnyaaaivaji te sanganaryalach Nirbuddha mhanoon palvat kadhtat.hyat nuksan tyanchech hote.te pragati karooch shakat nahit.

Pan  Kahi Shahani Manase maatra , hya katu satyavishayee vichar kartat aani aaplya jeevanat pragati karoon Ghetat.

Kharya Hiryala fakta ek javahirach olakhu shakato.ekhadya markatachya hati jar Khara Hira padla tar to , to hira fekun deto.

Asahi mhantat naahi ka,"Gadha kya jane Adrak ka swad?" kivva " Gadhavala Gulachi chav kaay?"


Thanks & regards
Meena
May God bless all

[omkar]

Hello Milind & all
Nice question & nice discussion
my 2 cents
Is Tuch ahes tuzya jivanacha shilpkar also means you can come out from this situation also
The question only is how??
What is the procedure?? In detail??

I am also waiting 4 the answer

Thanks all Thanks all members Thank You

         Omkar
"May god bless all with akhand Sadgurukrupa & Effortless Namsmran"
 

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskar Omkar and all,

You have very rightly said, One has to realize that if he/she is responsible for creating problem then he himself can solve the problem. If anybody requires guidance to  find the solution to come out  of problem, then the guidance is given in JVM.

The various ways by which the guidance is given are-

1) By reading the books. If you read the books written by Shri Satguru, you may be guided. Many people have told in this in their sukhsamvads (speeches about their JV experiences) in various programmes.

2) By doing courses of JV-Swanand yog Part 1 &2

3) By listening to Shri Satguru pravachans & pravachans  of his disciples. I am guided by them whenever I needed guidance and many people have  told same to me.

4) By personally meeting Shri Satguru and Pravachankars. Shri Satguru meets needy people personally or anyone can talk with him on phone by taking prior appointment. Pravachankars can be met at the place of pravachan centers.

5) Through JV Website forum-queries regarding JV philosophy are answered here.

These are the various ways by which JV guides people.

May God bless all!

[MEENA PATKAR]

To,
Omkar,
Namaskar

You are right!
Tooch Aahes.............,itself means -you can come out of  problem which you are facing
due to your own negligence towards the accumulation of punya.


By saying "Tooch Aahes..................."JV teaches to accept the current situation in as is state.It has explained the law of cause & effect relationship i.e. where there is an effect
there is definately a cause behind it.The cause is only " we were not aware (saavadh), when doing any action , which was negative(may be negative thinking / thoughts of frustration) which has caused us to have du;kh/or bad condition in present life.

JV teaches /warns , whenever we experience du;kh ,it is a sign of brankrupcy in terms of Punya, which we have to fill /accumulate again to get the du;kh disappeared & let the Sukh arrive in our life.

This is what is JV's clearcut view.

thanks & regards
Meena