Divya Bank Balance or something else?

[dr.nutanpol]

The post by Omkar-

 What is end of this game?   
 Is there any end to action & reaction game??
If anybody knows please tell me. 

Namaskar to Omkar and all,

This post is a reply to the above question.

Shri Satguru in his granth, ?Jeevanvidyecha Mangal Kalash? tells us about this answer when he explains what is the real meaning of Karmyog.
He says that, ?I am the doer of all actions and I should get the fruit of my action.? These are 2 bindings (bandh) which are attached to all actions. Hence doing any action with such thought is not karmyog but karmbhog.

 If we do any job however astounding, magnificent, and benevolent it may be, we will have reaction to this action and we can be trapped in the chain of facing action and reaction.

So if we want to get rid of this cycle of action and reaction then karmas should be done by using Ishwar bhav.

If karma is done in a bhav that, ?Doer is Ishwar-chaitany tatv or cosmic life force then, fruit of action also belongs to Ishwar only? then that karma is divine karma and that is Karmayog.

Shri Ramdas Swami says that,

Mi karta aise mhanasi tene tu kashti hosi
Ram karta mhanata pawasi, yash, kirti prataap.

This is smaran yog and Shri Satguru says that, in Geeta Bhagwan Krishna has prescribed this smaranyog for doing all karmas.  He has given guidance to Arjun as his Satguru in Geeta that, ?Maam anusmar yudhdhach? which means that, while doing war you keep in mind that, you are not Arjun but ?Ishwar swarup? and do the war.

To understand this we have to understand- what is true ego, false ego etc.. and how they are created. All this is explained in chapters of Amrut Manthan in details.

This guidance given to Arjun can put into practice if there is Satguru krupa and to understand its deeper meaning also requires Shri Satguru krupa. If this guidance is well understood then only disciple will know how to remain out of cycle of action and reaction.
The sadhana and deeper meaning cannot be explained here and this is the limitation. To understand this we have to surrender ourselves to Satguru.

Please read Jeevanvidyecha Mangal Kalash. page 217-218. and also Amrut Manthan chapters-12, 15, 19, 20 and 21.

May God bless all!       

[mk]

Namonamah,
Omkarjee, Dr. Nutanjee, Namaste.

This is about Krishna's advice etc...

I think what Krishna meant was that Arjun could choose (has a right to choose) his karm, but then that determines what he gets as its fruit. The Karma determines the fruit as Dr. Nutanjee has put it.

Read "right to karm" as "right to choose the action". Read "no right to fruit" as "no right to choose the fruit".

A few weeks ago Omkarjee you had posted a story .... of Junnaid the mystic (http://www.jeevanvidya.org/forum/index.php/topic,361.msg2642.html#msg2642). I quote the last line of the post:

QUOTE
That is what I call it.
You choose a certain act ? that is your freedom ? but then the consequences will be your
responsibility.
UNQUOTE
You choose the karm. You cannot choose its consequences.

Of course, there are many interpretations possible. When we say in Marathi with a sense of frustration "कर्म माझं!", what do we mean?

Best wishes
Milind Khadilkar

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskar MK jee,

Your interpretation regarding action is right but we have to keep in mind that, it is absolutely not possible for a man to remain in a state of no action. Manushya ha swabhavatah karmshil prani ahe.

Therefore question remains how to do karma in a state where there is inaction in an action and to understand this guidance by spiritual master-Satguru is required.

Some people train their mind to do meditation-still their mind. Here we have to remember that, Changdev practiced Samadhi and lived for 1400 years but he had to surrender himself to 7-8 year old Shri Dnyaneshwar Maharaj.

So without real Satguru?s help it is not possible to remain out of chain of action and reaction.

May God bless all!
 
 

[omkar]

Thanks Milind,Nutan Pol & all for replies
Is 
Karmanyev adhikaraste ma phaleshu kadachan
really means?

We are in no authority to choose timings of our karma's fruit? [Good as well as bad ]

2]

Shri Satguru in his granth, ?Jeevanvidyecha Mangal Kalash? tells us about this answer when he explains what is the real meaning of Karmyog.
He says that, ?I am the doer of all actions and I should get the fruit of my action.? These are 2 bindings (bandh) which are attached to all actions. Hence doing any action with such thought is not karmyog but karmbhog.

This is smaran yog and Shri Satguru says that, in Geeta Bhagwan Krishna has prescribed this smaranyog for doing all karmas.  He has given guidance to Arjun as his Satguru in Geeta that, ?Maam anusmar yudhdhach? which means that, while doing war you keep in mind that, you are not Arjun but ?Ishwar swarup? and do the war.

To understand this we have to understand- what is true ego, false ego etc.. and how they are created. All this is explained in chapters of Amrut Manthan in details.

This guidance given to Arjun can put into practice if there is Satguru krupa and to understand its deeper meaning also requires Shri Satguru krupa. If this guidance is well understood then only disciple will know how to remain out of cycle of action and reaction.
The sadhana and deeper meaning cannot be explained here and this is the limitation. To understand this we have to surrender ourselves to Satguru.

If a sadhak will follow sadguru/this method can it be said that he will not experience any negative effects of his negative karma?

Thanks all Bless All
Omkar
[May everybody be blessed with akhand sadgurukrupa & effortless namsmaran ]

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskar Omkar,

I do not know whether your are talking about kriyaman  or the effect of past karmas?
 


May God bless all!

[omkar]

Thanks Dr Nutan Pol & all for replying

What is the answer

if I mean either only
1] Sanchit
2] Kriyaman
3] Prarabdha

or I mean all three

Thanks all Bless All
Omkar
[May everybody be blessed with akhand sadgurukrupa & effortless namsmaran ]

[dr.nutanpol]

Namaskar Omkar,

I am sorry to inform you that, this kind of discussion is not to be meant to be discussed on the forum since it belongs to very higher level of sadhana.

  Hence I am sorry I cannot discuss it over the forum. Only Satguru can discuss these things to a disciple who surrenders himself and does sadhana as is told to him.

We can do auspicious thinking, positive thinking and chant relentless VP/naamsmaran and do our duties whole heartedly!  Satguru krupa gradually enlightens knowledge in the mind of a sadhak who surrenders to him if he continues sadhana with total faith on him.

May God bless all!

[omkar]

Thanks Dr Nutan Pol,MK & all for your replies

So if we want to get rid of this cycle of action and reaction then karma's should be done by using Ishtar bhav.

If karma is done in a bhav that, ?Doer is Ishwar-chaitany tatv or cosmic life force then, fruit of action also belongs to Ishwar only? then that karma is divine karma and that is Karmayog.

Can I assume that if we do karma's with ishwar Bhav then we will not face bad effects [It seems also true if we do karma's like this then we will unable to do bad karma's]

But in case we have to do bad karma's for the sake of good things [for protection of good things/Dharma with "Iswar Bhav"] then what will happen ---- we still have to face the negative effect ??

for e g only Krishna have to see through his life time total destruction of his "Kul" can it be said negative effect of Mahabharata war destruction of kuru vansha "may curse of Gandhari was just a surface reason of it" also Krishna has accepted the curse with saying "I know that will happen"

Thanks all Bless All
Omkar
[May everybody be blessed with akhand sadgurukrupa & effortless namsmaran ]